Selvish Capers

[Skins-fo-life]

IMO I think Capers will be a steal. He should not of fallen to the Skins in the 7th. Yesterday they had him on the Mike Wise show and he was asked who would win if he went one on one with Haynesworth and he replied "Selvish Capers" The kid has confidence at least. I really hope he fills the void at RT eventually. I can't stomach Heyer anymore. He had his chances.

[Patrick]

Really comes down to who is coaching him up. He had a really bad post college game from what I understand ..... enough so that it affected his draft status (Akh or Fent can comment about that better than I). I was excited about the pick myself but the kid needs work ..... A LOT of work but I also think the he could be starting by mid-season or at the very least seeing significant playing time. Definitely a rookie to keep our eyes on............
The Big Bear and the Siliverback on the only side......... I guess we can start calling the new OL the National Zoo.

[BurgundyNGold]

Originally Posted by tuckahoeskin

Is he as fast as Brian Mitchell or Rock? The return game is about "near misses." If he is a gamer and willing to play close to that edge, then he may find a position. As far as speed goes, I'm 41 and just as fast as Antwan Randel-El in a punt return.

I don't recall that Brian Mitchell was particularly fast. What he did well was that he had good vision and was always heading north and south. We've gotten far too much east and west in the return game from folks without especially good vision the last few years.

Originally Posted by whiskeytown

Capers was a steal, he'll start.

i'm biased as a WVU fan of course. but there's got a be a reason he was projected as a 4th-5th rounder.

(sure, the counter to that is there must be a reason he fell to the 7th... or "bruce campbell was a projected first rounder, but that doesn't mean he's great" etc etc)

but Capers spent a few years crankin open holes for Steve Slaton, Pat White, and Noel Devine, wich much success.

Agreed. Some mocks had Capers going in the 2nd or 3rd. Huge value pick in the 7th.

[native skin]

Great pick. I love this guy's attitude. I think this is the best OL pick in our draft.

[BtwnDaTackles]

I really think Selvish has a great upside, BUT I played against him 3 times, not literally because i played o-line aswell, but i got a chance to have a serious look at him, and i actually spoke to alot of my teammates and friends from other teams who literally played against him, and each evaluation of his game is identical:

He has great feet, he can move really well. He is very athletic, he can get out and run, and i mean RUN! In open space he can get after you. However, the biggest issues that i heard from everyone were Strength, Hands, Poise, and Tenacity.

One team mate said to me: "Because of his size the first thing that comes to your mind is "I gotta speed rush him" but once you notice he's got the speed to ride you up field and the feet to stomp you down into the inside if you try to go under, you scrap it and try to body him, but once you mix it up with himyou notice:

1. His punch is soft, not powerful at all, and 2. His hand placement is not consistent at all. When you get up in his face he doesnt have the strength in his punch to sustain you, also becuase of his speed if you keep jumping in his chest he'll over set you to get his hands on you first from an angle, to compinsate for his weak punch at the POA.

He went on to say "Once you beat him it is extremely easy to mix it up with him. You can actually go back into your arsenal and implement the speed rush becuase he isnt poised. You just got to keep it physical with him, he doesnt want any parts of you once you put your hands on him, because his hands and strength are terrible.You can tell he's one of those linemen who's Coach didnt make him wrestle on the off season, he not comfortable dealing with a body."

Just remember i'm just quoting, I dont want to go on and on but i just saw the thread and had to post this. I was shocked as hell when the 'Skins drafted him. One thing is clear, that shanny wants extremely athletic big men on the edge and body snatchers on the inside. I never ran and offensive scheme that was completely sold out to the Zone Blocking scheme. I just ran variations of it, so i dont know exactly what type of lineman the scheme requires.

[BurgundyNGold]

Originally Posted by BtwnDaTackles

I really think Selvish has a great upside, BUT I played against him 3 times, not literally because i played o-line aswell, but i got a chance to have a serious look at him, and i actually spoke to alot of my teammates and friends from other teams who literally played against him, and each evaluation of his game is identical:

He has great feet, he can move really well. He is very athletic, he can get out and run, and i mean RUN! In open space he can get after you. However, the biggest issues that i heard from everyone were Strength, Hands, Poise, and Tenacity.

One team mate said to me: "Because of his size the first thing that comes to your mind is "I gotta speed rush him" but once you notice he's got the speed to ride you up field and the feet to stomp you down into the inside if you try to go under, you scrap it and try to body him, but once you mix it up with himyou notice:

1. His punch is soft, not powerful at all, and 2. His hand placement is not consistent at all. When you get up in his face he doesnt have the strength in his punch to sustain you, also becuase of his speed if you keep jumping in his chest he'll over set you to get his hands on you first from an angle, to compinsate for his weak punch at the POA.

He went on to say "Once you beat him it is extremely easy to mix it up with him. You can actually go back into your arsenal and implement the speed rush becuase he isnt poised. You just got to keep it physical with him, he doesnt want any parts of you once you put your hands on him, because his hands and strength are terrible.You can tell he's one of those linemen who's Coach didnt make him wrestle on the off season, he not comfortable dealing with a body."

Just remember i'm just quoting, I dont want to go on and on but i just saw the thread and had to post this. I was shocked as hell when the 'Skins drafted him. One thing is clear, that shanny wants extremely athletic big men on the edge and body snatchers on the inside. I never ran and offensive scheme that was completely sold out to the Zone Blocking scheme. I just ran variations of it, so i dont know exactly what type of lineman the scheme requires.

Excellent, excellent post. Anybody who reads this post is going to be smarter for doing so on at least 2 or 3 levels.

[pickwick]

Originally Posted by BtwnDaTackles

I was shocked as hell when the 'Skins drafted him.

Well... he did have a 2nd/3rd round grade, hell give him a 5th or 6th round. Getting him in the 7th is better than not getting a lineman or ending up with more UFA fluff. This way we have him for a few years and see if he can learn and improve.

[skin-tastic]

dang btwthetackles thanks for the info. strength and hands are real important for an olineman. fortunately i think hand work is something capers can be coached up on.

i dont expect capers to start a game this year unless that RT spot is looking bad enough to start a 7th round pick.

[Oregonian]

I can't really comment on the guy's skills but:

He's got just about the most interesting name I have ever heard.

I'm pulling for him.

[BtwnDaTackles]

Originally Posted by pickwick

Well... he did have a 2nd/3rd round grade, hell give him a 5th or 6th round. Getting him in the 7th is better than not getting a lineman or ending up with more UFA fluff. This way we have him for a few years and see if he can learn and improve.

From a draft garde persepctive (whatever that is), drafting him makes sense. We shall see...

[hockeygoalie29]

Originally Posted by BtwnDaTackles

I really think Selvish has a great upside, BUT I played against him 3 times, not literally because i played o-line aswell, but i got a chance to have a serious look at him, and i actually spoke to alot of my teammates and friends from other teams who literally played against him, and each evaluation of his game is identical:

He has great feet, he can move really well. He is very athletic, he can get out and run, and i mean RUN! In open space he can get after you. However, the biggest issues that i heard from everyone were Strength, Hands, Poise, and Tenacity.

One team mate said to me: "Because of his size the first thing that comes to your mind is "I gotta speed rush him" but once you notice he's got the speed to ride you up field and the feet to stomp you down into the inside if you try to go under, you scrap it and try to body him, but once you mix it up with himyou notice:

1. His punch is soft, not powerful at all, and 2. His hand placement is not consistent at all. When you get up in his face he doesnt have the strength in his punch to sustain you, also becuase of his speed if you keep jumping in his chest he'll over set you to get his hands on you first from an angle, to compinsate for his weak punch at the POA.

He went on to say "Once you beat him it is extremely easy to mix it up with him. You can actually go back into your arsenal and implement the speed rush becuase he isnt poised. You just got to keep it physical with him, he doesnt want any parts of you once you put your hands on him, because his hands and strength are terrible.You can tell he's one of those linemen who's Coach didnt make him wrestle on the off season, he not comfortable dealing with a body."

Just remember i'm just quoting, I dont want to go on and on but i just saw the thread and had to post this. I was shocked as hell when the 'Skins drafted him. One thing is clear, that shanny wants extremely athletic big men on the edge and body snatchers on the inside. I never ran and offensive scheme that was completely sold out to the Zone Blocking scheme. I just ran variations of it, so i dont know exactly what type of lineman the scheme requires.

Fantastic post. Thanks for the info. So what I'm reading is that he will be a fantastic run blocker in our zone scheme since he has the speed and athleticism to move in space but will need to spend some quality time with the strength and conditioning coaches before his pass protection is on par with a quality RT.

[tuckahoeskin]

Originally Posted by BtwnDaTackles

From just a draft grade perspective (whatever that is), drafting him makes alot of sense. However, the problems that i see that he has IMO are far more daunting, than to even begin to think he has the capability to start on opening day. As 'Skins fans we have all had our gripes about each offensive lineman, and we have all watched them and their performance, as a whole unit working together, and even as individuals. IMO i think Heyer has a better foundation of skills and experience to work from than the rookie. I think some of us have a tendancy to think that each late pick is a diamond in the rough, who can blow the lid off of the competition in camp and start. I like to lean more toward project with potential. And in many instances the only difference between a 7th round pick and "UFA fluff" is the team thinks you have [b]chance[b] to make the team, where the fluff get to pick between the best situation for them and get the opportunity to make the team.

Two excellent posts. Really.

I hear you regarding him not starting soon. However, time spent with professional coaching and in a pro strength and conditioning program should help in some of those areas, shouldn't they? To me, that's the part of your assessment that pleases me. That stuff is teachable. If you said he had problems with his feet or balance, then we wasted a pick. However, strength and punch can be gained through coaching and hard work.

[BtwnDaTackles]

Originally Posted by hockeygoalie29

Fantastic post. Thanks for the info. So what I'm reading is that he will be a fantastic run blocker in our zone scheme since he has the speed and athleticism to move in space but will need to spend some quality time with the strength and conditioning coaches before his pass protection is on par with a quality RT.

Exactly, because of how we negotiate the run. He can really make things happen. Alot of what he did in college is indentical to what is going to be asked of him in the pros. However, as an offensive lineman myself, there is one thing we dont have the luxury of doing, and thats hiding behind our scheme. At some point your going to have to mix it up and get savy. The tools he has are great, not average but great. But the holes in his game lean more toward the inate ability of an offensive lineman. For example, coaches can teach hand placement but the cant teach game time reasoning with each individual case. Its a chess match out there, and you gotta be savy.

[BtwnDaTackles]

Originally Posted by tuckahoeskin

Two excellent posts. Really.

I hear you regarding him not starting soon. However, time spent with professional coaching and in a pro strength and conditioning program should help in some of those areas, shouldn't they? To me, that's the part of your assessment that pleases me. That stuff is teachable. If you said he had problems with his feet or balance, then we wasted a pick. However, strength and punch can be gained through coaching and hard work.

Very true...

[Moe]

Originally Posted by BtwnDaTackles

Exactly, because of how we negotiate the run. He can really make things happen. Alot of what he did in college is indentical to what is going to be asked of him in the pros. However, as an offensive lineman myself, there is one thing we dont have the luxury of doing, and thats hiding behind our scheme. At some point your going to have to mix it up and get savy. The tools he has are great, not average but great. But the holes in his game lean more toward the inate ability of an offensive lineman. For example, coaches can teach hand placement but the cant teach game time reasoning with each individual case. Its a chess match out there, and you gotta be savy.

Shanny has a track record of picking up guys based on what he feels he can get out them and I think both Williams and Capers fit into this, albeit at different levels. I read somewhere that Shanny favors talent over things like strength and technique when evaluating players because the latter can (and will have to) be improved. I think this was a great 7th round pick and hopefully the kid can put it all together.