Portis Uncensored...WOW

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by joethefan

They both have crap about them, past and present.

Portis has never been arrested, nor has he been suspended because of his actions.

Originally Posted by joethefan

We get the sense of how you feel about Lavar, but what is your take on Portis and his latest comments?

I honestly could care less. This is a big nothing imo. Portis probably should have said it privately to Lavar, but this isn't something to get worked up about unless you have a hard on for Portis anyways.

[csquared]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

Big Ben, Vick, PacMan, TO etc were suspended, so they directly hurt their team with their actions. Portis, for the most part, has done his grousing during offseasons(or preseasons).

I realize you're tired of Portis' mouth, but comparing him to TO(which is still unfair) or Big Ben just has no basis in fact. Portis was right about 2009 offensive line(which couldn't block) and the 2004 running game(which they changed and Portis ripped off a very impressive 25-30 game stretch). He was also right about Zorn's offensive set up(which he said after the season ended and after Zorn was fired). I don't know how ripping the previous coach's setup as unwieldy right after the season is a distraction.

How does it make the organization look? Your supposed star running back whining and crying when stuff gets tough for him. It sure doesn't look good does it? I have always said " He may be right, but there is a time and place for everything." His timing may be right, but crying to the media is childish and cowardly. Go straight to the person you have a problem with.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by csquared

How does it make the organization look? Your supposed star running back whining and crying when stuff gets tough for him. It sure doesn't look good does it?

Didn't he do that(well, went to the coaches privately) regarding Sellers last season? Which Portis was pilloried here for doing anyways. Heads he loses, tails he loses.

Originally Posted by csquared

I have always said " He may be right, but there is a time and place for everything." His timing may be right, but crying to the media is childish and cowardly. Go straight to the person you have a problem with.

So, since he is "childish" that makes him like an alleged rapist who was suspended for multiple alleged sexual assaults? Or PacMan? Umm..no. I don't think people can attack a player for saying publicly what we're saying also, even if its ripping a coach.

[joethefan]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

Portis has never been arrested, nor has he been suspended because of his actions.

I was talking about Portis and Lavar, never knew Lavar to be arrested. I meant they both have crap about them that the fans have questioned in the past.


I honestly could care less. This is a big nothing imo. Portis probably should have said it privately to Lavar, but this isn't something to get worked up about unless you have a hard on for Portis anyways.

No one has a hard on for Portis, but here we go once again with him running his mouth to the media as opposed to saying it directly to the person. To go on NFL network and say that someone had an issue with you because of the money you were making as opposed to addressing them personally is wrong. And regardless if he were right or wrong about Zorn, his lack of respect for the man the Org put in charge of the team is classless IMO. So what he was the only one to speak about it, He's usually the only one speaking anyway. Did anyone on the team rip him for loafing and not wanting to practice or not starting the season with his legs fresh after not playing in preseason for 2 years? when many people questioned whether he was in shape or not?

Bottom line is it seems like shanny and allen are trying tochange the culture there but Portis once again seems to continue his regular ways.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by joethefan

No one has a hard on for Portis, but here we go once again with him running his mouth to the media as opposed to saying it directly to the person.

But he's ripping a radio host, not a coach or a player.

Originally Posted by joethefan

To go on NFL network and say that someone had an issue with you because of the money you were making as opposed to addressing them personally is wrong. And regardless if he were right or wrong about Zorn, his lack of respect for the man the Org put in charge of the team is classless IMO. So what he was the only one to speak about it, He's usually the only one speaking anyway. Did anyone on the team rip him for loafing and not wanting to practice or not starting the season with his legs fresh after not playing in preseason for 2 years? when many people questioned whether he was in shape or not?

Actually yes, they did during(and after) the season. I must have missed when anyone criticized them for creating a distraction.

And frankly, Zorn(or Blache) didn't deserve any respect.

Originally Posted by joethefan

Bottom line is it seems like shanny and allen are trying tochange the culture there but Portis once again seems to continue his regular ways.

And yet: they could cut him fairly easily because of the capless season, but won't(yet).

[joethefan]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

Didn't he do that(well, went to the coaches privately) regarding Sellers last season? Which Portis was pilloried here for doing anyways. Heads he loses, tails he loses.



So, since he is "childish" that makes him like an alleged rapist who was suspended for multiple alleged sexual assaults? Or PacMan? Umm..no. I don't think people can attack a player for saying publicly what we're saying also, even if its ripping a coach.

I think people have an issue with the fact that he brought up Sean, when Sean is no longer here to speak for himself. Many people called that show this morning upset at Portis for that reason alone. Portis cannot control how people deal with Sean's death. But to try to create an atmosphere to get people to go against someone who THE FAMILY asked to speak at the funeral through the media IMO is really low. I wouldn't care who that person was.

[joethefan]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

But he's ripping a radio host, not a coach or a player.



Actually yes, they did during(and after) the season. I must have missed when anyone criticized them for creating a distraction.

And frankly, Zorn(or Blache) didn't deserve any respect.



And yet: they could cut him fairly easily because of the capless season, but won't(yet).

1) Portis started the whole thing on the NFL Network....address that.
2) Who on that team ripped him other Jason when felt the need to defend himself
3) Regardless of what you felt, you only rip your boss only when authorities above you allow you to (lets see if he runs to the media if he doesn't like what shanny does)
4) Yes yet

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by joethefan

I think people have an issue with the fact that he brought up Sean, when Sean is no longer here to speak for himself. Many people called that show this morning upset at Portis for that reason alone. Portis cannot control how people deal with Sean's death. But to try to create an atmosphere to get people to go against someone who THE FAMILY asked to speak at the funeral through the media IMO is really low. I wouldn't care who that person was.

I'm not defending that, I said that he should have said that to Lavar personally, but how is that a "distraction?"

Originally Posted by joethefan

1) Portis started the whole thing on the NFL Network....address that.
2) Who on that team ripped him other Jason when felt the need to defend himself
3) Regardless of what you felt, you only rip your boss only when authorities above you allow you to (lets see if he runs to the media if he doesn't like what shanny does)
4) Yes yet

1. Thats Portis' opinion about their motives, and if you want to hold Portis to the standard that he shouldn't saying anything about teammates and such, you should be criticizing the players who ripped Portis.
2. Campbell had nothing to defend himself from, Portis clearly wasn't ripping him. Cooley ripped Portis openly and several "unnamed players" did also. Please hold them to the same standards you want to hold Portis to.
3. Zorn wasn't Portis' boss when he said that. He was his ex-boss.
4. If it hasn't happened yet, it probably not going to happen.

[Fathead]

Honestly, if we were going to get rid of Clinton, we would have already done so. Unfortunately, the same applies to Cult. Ugh.


Anyway, Clinton, while a douche at times, is nowhere near the level of a TO, or Big Ben, etc. When he gets arrested, then people can throw that out.

[joethefan]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

I'm not defending that, I said that he should have said that to Lavar personally, but how is that a "distraction?"




1. Thats Portis' opinion about their motives, and if you want to hold Portis to the standard that he shouldn't saying anything about teammates and such, you should be criticizing the players who ripped Portis.
2. Campbell had nothing to defend himself from, Portis clearly wasn't ripping him. Cooley ripped Portis openly and several "unnamed players" did also. Please hold them to the same standards you want to hold Portis to.
3. Zorn wasn't Portis' boss when he said that. He was his ex-boss.
4. If it hasn't happened yet, it probably not going to happen.

1,2 Generally you are correct teammates shouldn't rip each other in the media (if that's what thet did about Portis which I don't recall)
But I recall Portis ripping his oline through the media...why use the media when their lockers were right in front of Clinton's ..unless he had his own office beside snyders.That seems kinda cowardly don't you think, to use the media as opposed to being a man and addressing those you have an issue with esp when you can speak to them from 20 feet or so?.

3. When Portis called Zorn a genius, Zorn was his boss it was towards the time when Zorn benched Portis and Portis called Zorn a "so called genius of a coach"
4. Hold the phne on that one.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by joethefan

1,2 Generally you are correct teammates shouldn't rip each other in the media (if that's what thet did about Portis which I don't recall)
But I recall Portis ripping his oline through the media...why use the media when their lockers were right in front of Clinton's ..unless he had his own office beside snyders.That seems kinda cowardly don't you think, to use the media as opposed to being a man and addressing those you have an issue with esp when you can speak to them from 20 feet or so?.

So, Portis' most recent problem with a teammate(other than responding to criticism of him), he didn't take to the press. He went to the coaches and asked them to do something about the fullback position. Sellers heard, confronted Portis and people still ripped Portis for going to the coaches.

Originally Posted by joethefan

3. When Portis called Zorn a genius, Zorn was his boss it was towards the time when Zorn benched Portis and Portis called Zorn a "so called genius of a coach"

If memory serves, Portis didn't directly rip what Zorn was doing, but criticized how he was communicating what his role would be. Thats much different than what he said after Zorn was canned(which was direct criticism).

Originally Posted by joethefan

4. Hold the phne on that one.

Unless Portis looks done, he's not going to be cut.

[csquared]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

I'm not defending that, I said that he should have said that to Lavar personally, but how is that a "distraction?"




1. Thats Portis' opinion about their motives, and if you want to hold Portis to the standard that he shouldn't saying anything about teammates and such, you should be criticizing the players who ripped Portis.
2. Campbell had nothing to defend himself from, Portis clearly wasn't ripping him. Cooley ripped Portis openly and several "unnamed players" did also. Please hold them to the same standards you want to hold Portis to. 3. Zorn wasn't Portis' boss when he said that. He was his ex-boss.
4. If it hasn't happened yet, it probably not going to happen.

Both of those guys dont continually whine publicly. Im willing to give a pass if its a 1 time deal. Cooley did call the fans out last year and i ripped him up for that.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by csquared

Both of those guys dont continually whine publicly. Im willing to give a pass if its a 1 time deal. Cooley did call the fans out last year and i ripped him up for that.

And Campbell complained that the home fans made it tough for him to like playing at Fedex, which is worse-imo-than anything Portis has said. If Portis is a distraction for what he said, then the players who ripped him-publicly and not-created as big a distraction than Portis ever has been. Cooley and Henson were worse because they ripped the fans also. If you or anyone doesn't like Portis for whatever reason, fine. Just please be consistent with your criticisms. If Portis is cancer for what he's said, then everyone is cancer when they say something. At least Portis' "distractions" tend to be right about what's wrong with the team.

[bigmike7914]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

Big Ben, Vick, PacMan, TO etc were suspended, so they directly hurt their team with their actions. Portis, for the most part, has done his grousing during offseasons(or preseasons).

I realize you're tired of Portis' mouth, but comparing him to TO(which is still unfair) or Big Ben just has no basis in fact. Portis was right about 2009 offensive line(which couldn't block) and the 2004 running game(which they changed and Portis ripped off a very impressive 25-30 game stretch). He was also right about Zorn's offensive set up(which he said after the season ended and after Zorn was fired). I don't know how ripping the previous coach's setup as unwieldy right after the season is a distraction. A distraction is a WR yelling at his QB..during a game or his offensive coordinator during the game on the sidelines. A rb saying that the head coach isn't telling him his role and that he finds that frustrating or that his offensive set up has the QB confused in the huddle isn't.

+1

[csquared]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

And Campbell complained that the home fans made it tough for him to like playing at Fedex, which is worse-imo-than anything Portis has said. If Portis is a distraction for what he said, then the players who ripped him-publicly and not-created as big a distraction than Portis ever has been. Cooley and Henson were worse because they ripped the fans also. If you or anyone doesn't like Portis for whatever reason, fine. Just please be consistent with your criticisms. If Portis is cancer for what he's said, then everyone is cancer when they say something. At least Portis' "distractions" tend to be right about what's wrong with the team.

Ok I'm not good at chopping up your post with quotes so here we go in order.......
1. You also know my stance on Campbell. Glad he is gone. Everything about him was an excuse.
2. I'm not sure who ripped Portis publicly except Campbell (see above)
3. Yes i forgot about Henson(Im sure i ripped him as well). Cooley lost a ton of respect with me when he ripped the fans. I'm sure i made it known in that thread as well.
4. I'm not sure how much more consistent i can get. Like i said earlier... I respect the running back but cant stand the mouth.
5. Portis may be right but the way he goes about it is wrong.