It's not just Meg: Lou Dobbs hired illegals

[justinskins]

Originally Posted by BurgundyNGold

I don't know. This sounds like taking a very narrow sliver of recent history to fit one's own beliefs. It wasn't long ago that idiot like Cindy Sheehan were taking center stage in this country. Folks like Noam Chomsky, Ralph Nader and Lyndon Larouche are certainly (and, from first to last, increasingly) left wing and most definitely have their own following. So are the 9/11 "truthers".

Nah, that was probably just my own frustrations coming out in an unfortunate late-night online political arguments. Although if the losers you mentioned in your post are what counts for the left-wing today, God help us all. Where are the Debs, the Gompers, the DuBois? There aren't any.

[BurgundyNGold]

Originally Posted by justinskins

Nah, that was probably just my own frustrations coming out in an unfortunate late-night online political arguments. Although if the losers you mentioned in your post are what counts for the left-wing today, God help us all. Where are the Debs, the Gompers, the DuBois? There aren't any.

The thing is, we're talking about extremists in most cases on both sides. It's not fair to characterize the whackos as "left wing" or "right wing" without clarifying it with "extreme". The Tea Party folks aren't really extremists, they're just ignorant and disaffected. The Phelps Family -- now those are extremists. The strength of the Tea Party is in their numbers (which aren't really that great) and their ability to run a bullhorn and craft intellectually dishonest arguments. Still, their numbers haven't reached critical mass and they won't for the simple fact that, in the end, truth ultimately trumps ignorance.

The left had their share of angry, even militant whackos in the 1960s and 1970s. The right before that in the 1950s. The Tea Party folks are pussycats compared to most of those groups. They'll affect the primaries, but their numbers and their message won't impact the general election a fraction as much as the policies of incumbents or their ability (or inability) to communicate effectively with voters.

[justinskins]

After derailing my own thread, I should probably try to get it back on track. Here's Lou Dobbs braving MSNBC to lay out his own case:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/lou-dobbs...the-last-word/

Dobbs actually doesn't come off that bad, while the reporter who wrote the article comes off a little smarmy and bland.

At the same time, it's pretty clear that Dobbs has lambasted companies whose contractors use illegal labor, and he's done the exact same thing. So the hypocrisy charge sticks IMO. Also, I think Dobbs is full of BS when he claims to have been a kind of mediator in the immigration debate, trying to bring all sides to the table for compromise.