The case for Firing Mike Shanahan

[BurgundyNGold]

Originally Posted by Oregonian

Agree.

And when Shanahan and Bruce Allen don't draft the players and make the roster changes the 'experts' on this forum are certain they should the howling around here for their firing will become deafening.

Try not to generalize. People on this board might point out the stupid things that the coaches do or don't do, but it's a small number of people who actually want to see the guy replaced after one year.

[CNYSkinFan]

Originally Posted by BurgundyNGold

Try not to generalize. People on this board might point out the stupid things that the coaches do or don't do, but it's a small number of people who actually want to see the guy replaced after one year.

and those of us who have called for his head have done so wth logical and reasoned points that the B&G colored glasses who think that the valid points many have raised can easily be laughed off because they "feel" good about the direction of the franchise despite all evidnce to the contrary.

[Oregonian]

Originally Posted by BurgundyNGold

Try not to generalize. People on this board might point out the stupid things that the coaches do or don't do, but it's a small number of people who actually want to see the guy replaced after one year.

I haven't done a poll and obviously there are many, maybe most here who do not want Shanahan fired at this point.

I am just predicting that the amplitude of the criticism and the number of people calling for his firing will be drastically increased when he makes personnel decisions this off season that are unpopular among those who are of the opinion that they know best whom we should sign, resign, draft and start.

[nicefellow31]

Originally Posted by Oregonian

I haven't done a poll and obviously there are many, maybe most here who do not want Shanahan fired at this point.

I am just predicting that the amplitude of the criticism and the number of people calling for his firing will be drastically increased when he makes personnel decisions this off season that are unpopular among those who are of the opinion that they know best whom we should sign, resign, draft and start.

Is that really something that would surprise you? It's the nature of fandom. Read any of game day threads to see how the emotions change. We (I) will complain about anything and fan forums were created to give you a place to express yourself.

[cal_junior]

Originally Posted by Oregonian

I am just predicting that the amplitude of the criticism and the number of people calling for his firing will be drastically increased when he makes personnel decisions this off season that are unpopular among those who are of the opinion that they know best whom we should sign, resign, draft and start.

I think you are dead-on. There are some who after 12 months have firmly made up their mind about the abilities of the coaching staff. My guess is that anything which happens this off-season will be made to fit a narrative of incompetence.

[Fathead]

Originally Posted by Skins3

But the funniest part is the same thing that killed the cerrato is the same thing that shanahan and allen did in their first year traded draft picks for guys who have dine nothing for the team or the future. Mcnabb/Carriker

We gave up literally nothing for Carriker. We swapped the placement of some picks, but still in the same round.

[BurgundyNGold]

Originally Posted by Oregonian

I haven't done a poll and obviously there are many, maybe most here who do not want Shanahan fired at this point.

I am just predicting that the amplitude of the criticism and the number of people calling for his firing will be drastically increased when he makes personnel decisions this off season that are unpopular among those who are of the opinion that they know best whom we should sign, resign, draft and start.

Maybe it does, but that's not much of a prediction. The longer the timeline of bad decisions, the number of Redskin fans who will want him to remain coach approaches zero. Assailing the "experts" up here, as you put it, for questioning or disagreeing with decisions of a 6-10 coaching staff and FO shouldn't be confused with wholesale, nuclear perspectives on the tenure of either.

[BurgundyNGold]

Originally Posted by cal_junior

I think you are dead-on. There are some who after 12 months have firmly made up their mind about the abilities of the coaching staff. My guess is that anything which happens this off-season will be made to fit a narrative of incompetence.

Good decisions are good decisions. Bad decisions are bad decisions. Usually you have to wait and see which is which, but you can give your initial impressions. Sometimes, good and bad decisions are obvious. Bad decisions will always get disproprtionately more ink because good decisions are expected from a 2 time Superbowl winning coach and a 1 time Superbowl winning GM, each getting paid millions of dollars a year to make good decisions.

[justinskins]

Originally Posted by BurgundyNGold

Good decisions are good decisions. Bad decisions are bad decisions. Usually you have to wait and see which is which, but you can give your initial impressions. Sometimes, good and bad decisions are obvious. Bad decisions will always get disproprtionately more ink because good decisions are expected from a 2 time Superbowl winning coach and a 1 time Superbowl winning GM, each getting paid millions of dollars a year to make good decisions.

+1. Let's not forget that trading two picks for a veteran QB, then dropping him after less than season, would probably be a fireable offense for a less experienced coach. Let alone improving only two games over what many fans considered one of the least capable coaching staffs in the league. As I've said many times, Shanny deserves at least another year, but he also deserves to take some heat. Right now he is living off his good name alone.

[Oregonian]

Originally Posted by BurgundyNGold

Maybe it does, but that's not much of a prediction. The longer the timeline of bad decisions, the number of Redskin fans who will want him to remain coach approaches zero. Assailing the "experts" up here, as you put it, for questioning or disagreeing with decisions of a 6-10 coaching staff and FO shouldn't be confused with wholesale, nuclear perspectives on the tenure of either.

The point is, I believe it likely that the decisions Shanahan makes this off season will be judged as bad before they are ever tested on the field, because they will have been inconsistent with what the forum experts believe should have been the proper decisions.

At that point, it will get nuclear pretty fast.

[silverspring]

Originally Posted by Oregonian

The point is, I believe it likely that the decisions Shanahan makes this off season will be judged as bad before they are ever tested on the field, because they will have been inconsistent with what the forum experts believe should have been the proper decisions.

At that point, it will get nuclear pretty fast.

What do you think shanahan did last season other than being "shanahan" to earn another year?

[SKINSATIONAL]

Originally Posted by silverspring

What do you think shanahan did last season other than being "shanahan" to earn another year?

This one's pretty simple....

He signed a 5 yr contract last yea
r. Jimmy johnson's first year was hell...1and 15. The media questioned his trade of Hershel Walker...we all know how that all turned out. So, to me its cut and dry as to what he did last year to deserve next year....he signed a 5 year contract and i'm sure management went into this with dampened expectations for the first year

[Toadslayer]

Originally Posted by Oregonian

The point is, I believe it likely that the decisions Shanahan makes this off season will be judged as bad before they are ever tested on the field, because they will have been inconsistent with what the forum experts believe should have been the proper decisions.

At that point, it will get nuclear pretty fast.

Ok then, let's sign Shanford and son to a 50 year 500 million dollar contract.

[GuyNTexas]

Originally Posted by tuckahoeskin

Get over yourself. Mike is probably THE MOST fair person on this board -- and he's right on this matter. If this is the way you respond to anyone who doesn't like your ideas, get ready for a lot of heartache because there will be plenty to disagree with this one. Too early, too quick, too bad.

Wrong .... if you're going to disagree with an opinion, fine .... but disagreeing without even reading the opinion is not much of a sign of fairness, or wisdom, for that matter.

Furthermore, when someone takes the time to detail their opinion, including the specific reasons for how it was formed, then there are two legitimate responses ... read it and then agree or disagree, or don't comment on it. I mean, it's free country, (supposedly) .. and you can do what you want ... but I think if you're going to disagree with something, you should at least know what you are choosing to disagree with.

Personally, I think the post hits the bulls eye on a number of issues, with the most serious one being the pettiness and ego driven attitude of the two Shanahans, as they seemed to be far more concerned with how Grossman performed, rather than the outcome of the games. Their egos needed to be "right", with little concern for anything else .... including diminishing the value of McNabb in the "process".

The entire course which Mike Shanahan took this year can be seen as repetitious acts of self inflicted wounds ... from the mishandling of Haynesworth to the disrespectful treatment of McNabb ... to the ill conceived switch to a 34 defense without the position players required. Their acquisition of defensive line players to accommodate that decision redirected resources that should have been concentrated on the offensive line, and protecting the McNabb investment, providing him with the best chance to be successful. In the end, they miscalculated, and decided to blame the offensive woes on McNabb, rather than where it really belongs ... much to the detriment of the team, and it's prospects for next year.

What's worse, it seems that Mike Shanahan is actually the personnel man, with Bruce Allen playing a diminished and secondary role ... and historically that has proven to be a faulty structure, with many very good coaches failing miserably when given that much reach and authority.

The separation between the business end of dealing with players handled by a front office head, and pure football decisions by the coaches provides that buffer to keep these issues compartmentalized so as not to interfere in proper football decisions. With a headstrong guy like Shanahan who takes these issues as a direct challenge to his authority, affecting his personal feelings toward players, the results are what we've seen .... endless drama that devolved into childishness from grown men who should have, but apparently didn't ... know better. At the end of the day, the value of both Haynesworth and McNabb were damaged as a DIRECT RESULT of Mike and Kyle Shanahan's mishandling of these players, and their ego driven rejection of personal responsibility for the outcome.

Take away the Resume ... and judged strictly on their conduct and decisions this year .. both Mike and Kyle appear very amateurish, self absorbed, and totally unaccountable.

[Redskinmayhem]

Originally Posted by Toadslayer

...Shanford and son...

LOL!!! Might be the best thing to come out of this thread!