2012 Presidential race

[justinskins]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

Exactly. The issue of State v feds in basically irrelevant in this case because immigration is the portfolio of the federal government regardless of any opinions on how they're conducting that policy. As Kennedy wrote: "1. The Federal Government’s broad, undoubted power over immigration and alien status rests, in part, on its constitutional power to “establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization,” Art. I, §8, cl. 4, and on its inherent sovereign power to control and conduct foreign relations."

I agree. I actually find Justice Scalia's opinion quite shocking in the amount of weight he gives to the states' "power to exclude." I don't think state power is nearly as strong in that area as he does. The dissents by Justices Thomas and Alito are much stronger.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by justinskins

I agree. I actually find Justice Scalia's opinion quite shocking in the amount of weight he gives to the states' "power to exclude." I don't think state power is nearly as strong in that area as he does. The dissents by Justices Thomas and Alito are much stronger.

Just read Alito's: pretty good argument and leaves the door open for further discussion imo. Scalia just wanted to cannonball into the pool: he's got some new book coming positing that Wickard was wrongly decided and all of it needs to rolled back.

[RedskinsDave]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

Bullsh*t



I would make a comment about tomorrow, but its a fool's errand to expect you to be able make any constructive comments about Wickard v Filburn, the use of the Commerce Clause or any of the real constitutional issues behind Obamacare. And if the mandate survives, I'm sure you'll just do what you've been doing with the Arizona decision: fake indignancy.



No, you offered opinions and haven't really contradicted anything I've written except with more opinions. There's a difference. For example:
" I don't see the issue with a state enforcing federal laws that the Feds won't enforce. That's where I agree with Scalia."
"I don't see the issue with the states enforcing federal law that the feds can't or won't enforce"
"It is unfair for a state to have to suffer because the federal government fails in its duties. The feds should have..."
"I beg to differ. I don't see anyone from the federal government putting up a stink over New York trampling all over my second amendment rights."

I don't see anywhere in this discussion where you use provable fact either. The closest you came is that the FBI investigated violence caused by illegals in the Southwest, but that wasn't really relevant to my point and when I pointed that out, you didn't respond. In response to my link from Judge Posner, you demanded that he(or I) disprove a negative, which is comical considering your indignancy now.

My indignancy? You're the one tilting at windmills here. You haven't produced anything but a quote from Kristol and another from a judge who didn't say anything. It's fun to watch.

I made the Commerce Clause argument a long time ago. You disagreed and thought you won when the pile of crap went into effect. It may be killed tomorrow. We will be able to add it to the list of non-conservative-and-wrong sides you've chosen.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by RedskinsDave

My indignancy? You're the one tilting at windmills here.

In a semantic sense, you're the one railing against a decision made by SCOTUS, not me.

Originally Posted by RedskinsDave

You haven't produced anything but a quote from Kristol and another from a judge who didn't say anything. It's fun to watch.

If thats all I've produced, its more then what you have done despite your claims to be using facts. You've produced Scalia's dissent and some snarky comments. Which(Scalia's dissent) is getting criticized in conservative circles(hell, even Thomas didn't want part of it). Oh wait, that makes them liberals now in your world lol.

Originally Posted by RedskinsDave

I made the Commerce Clause argument a long time ago. You disagreed and thought you won when the pile of crap went into effect.

If you thought that, you truly are incapable of understanding what people write in the english language. Or this is some tactic of yours.

Originally Posted by RedskinsDave

It may be killed tomorrow. We will be able to add it to the list of non-conservative-and-wrong sides you've chosen.

That would depend on whether its overturned and why it was overturned. As for "non-conservative": as recently as 2008 the individual mandate was a conservative idea. Mitt Romney is the only politician to pass a successful and lasting individual mandate. So, I guess Mitt, Bob Bennett, Hatch/Grassley(who pushed for the mandate for years), the Heritage Foundation and me are just a bunch of fake conservatives in your twisted mind. Its just like the commerce clause: no conservatives of any stripes(even Scalia had no problem with non-economic activity being regulated by the commerce clause in 2006) opposed it until Obama used it. Just because Obama supports it doesn't make it a liberal idea and doesn't make someone a liberal for being consistent.

And I'm not always right, but at least I take positions on things. Maybe I should be more like you and be a coward who just snipes and snarks without ever taking a real stand on anything. You're not a conservative Dave, barely even a republican. You're spineless partisan hack who would be on his knees blowing a guy if Fox News said not to be blowing a guy makes you a RINO who secretly loves Obama. If Sarah Palin was the nominee, you'd talk yourself into her as a great leader/person despite all your comments to the contrary.

Feel free to have the last word, I'm done with feeding your trolling for attention.

[RedskinsDave]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

And I'm not always right, but at least I take positions on things. Maybe I should be more like you and be a coward who just snipes and snarks without ever taking a real stand on anything. You're not a conservative Dave, barely even a republican. You're spineless partisan hack who would be on his knees blowing a guy if Fox News said not to be blowing a guy makes you a RINO who secretly loves Obama. If Sarah Palin was the nominee, you'd talk yourself into her as a great leader/person despite all your comments to the contrary.

Feel free to have the last word, I'm done with feeding your trolling for attention. Toodles ass.

HA HA HA HA HA. My trolling? From the guy who chooses the road less traveled on nearly every topic just to be able to argue with people.

I am a conservative and a Republican. I don't ever watch Fox and you better watch yourself with that crap. Now go find some losing side of an argument to latch onto so you can go back and forth with someone for days. You're quitting here because you have nothing. Good call for a change.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by RedskinsDave

HA HA HA HA HA. My trolling? From the guy who chooses the road less traveled on nearly every topic just to be able to argue with people.

Or I actually believe what I write and don't care whether its unpopular or not. I know, you're not familiar with the concept of intellectual consistency.

Originally Posted by RedskinsDave

I am a conservative and a Republican. I don't ever watch Fox and you better watch yourself with that crap.

Try threatening someone who isn't familiar with your internet tough guy act.

Originally Posted by RedskinsDave

Now go find some losing side of an argument to latch onto so you can go back and forth with someone for days. You're quitting here because you have nothing. Good call for a change.

I think its pretty obvious who is dealing with facts and who's being a three year old throwing a temper tantrum

And the best part Dave, I'm going to delete this post so only you can see it lol.

[akhhorus]

Obamacare completely upheld 5-4. Roberts+libs in the majority.

[RedskinsDave]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

Or I actually believe what I write and don't care whether its unpopular or not. I know, you're not familiar with the concept of intellectual consistency.



Try threatening someone who isn't familiar with your internet tough guy act.



I think its pretty obvious who is dealing with facts and who's being a three year old throwing a temper tantrum

And the best part Dave, I'm going to delete this post so only you can see it lol.

No, the best part is I can undelete it and quote it. Internet tough guy, huh? I'd slap you silly in person too. Let us know when you have an opinion here since you keep claiming a victory you haven't earned. Very mature deleting me on facebook.

[Keino]

Okay Fellas, let's get back to the debate and lets all be friends again. No reason for this lively discussion to end friendships.


I think the decision all but ensures another 4 years for Obama.

[RedskinsDave]

Not if people know they are being taxed in order to pay for others. It is exactly the social entitlement tax we all said it was. It's odd the justices made an argument Obama's team didn't even make. Talk about being political.

[cal_junior]

Originally Posted by RedskinsDave

I am a conservative and a Republican. I don't ever watch Fox

I wish there were more of you. The Republicans I know who don't watch 24-hour news are the ones I find myself conceding points to on a regular basis.

[CNYSkinFan]

Originally Posted by Keino

Okay Fellas, let's get back to the debate and lets all be friends again. No reason for this lively discussion to end friendships.


I think the decision all but ensures another 4 years for Obama.

Lets see how this plays out, a big part of the GOP playbook this summer was to point to the Supreme Court ruling as vindication to their opposition to Obamacare

[cal_junior]

Originally Posted by CNYSkinFan

Lets see how this plays out, a big part of the GOP playbook this summer was to point to the Supreme Court ruling as vindication to their opposition to Obamacare

And how sad is that?

"Look everybody, we disagreed with how to fix a problem! Aren't you impressed?"
"What solutions to the problem did you propose?"
"Ummm...."

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by RedskinsDave

No, the best part is I can undelete it and quote it. Internet tough guy, huh? I'd slap you silly in person too.

Lmao...its hilarious that your reaction to me calling you an internet tough guy(which is what you are) is to threaten me with violence. I've taken on Marines/Citadel Cadets in bar fights and won, I don't think you're anywhere near as tough as them. Probably closer to the "code pink protestor" level of toughness/ability to fight lol.

Originally Posted by RedskinsDave

Let us know when you have an opinion here since you keep claiming a victory you haven't earned.

I honestly don't know what the hell you're talking about here. Where did I claim any victory? But a nice try to throw this back on me when you were prematurely celebrating your "victory" which included a shot at me that you're going to now try to pretend doesn't exist.

Maybe you should keep your discussion with the voices in your head in your head and keep your insecurity complex to yourself. Thanks.

Originally Posted by RedskinsDave

Very mature deleting me on facebook.

I see no point in having any future interactions with you and your little sissy/internet tough guy act in this thread is the champion of immaturity. I have a simple rule for facebook: anyone too unintelligent to keep making themselves look like an ass(like you've shown you're very capable of), gets blocked.

And now I am done. If you want to keep making yourself look like a douche, knock yourself out. I won't try to stop you anymore.

[CNYSkinFan]

I think Obama should come out and declare today a victory for Romneycare