2012 Presidential race

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by CNYSkinFan

which is why i wont vote for a white president because I dont want to embolden the Klu Klux Klan

I'll never vote for a jewish president because I don't want to embolden Jackie Mason.

Originally Posted by cal_junior

Or Justin Bieber fans. They're far more dangerous at this point.

I blame Chester A. Arthur. He was a secret canadian president who opened the door with his co-religionists so that America would face the scourge of Justin Bieber.

[cal_junior]

Originally Posted by RedskinsDave

If that person was in the Klan, you would have a point. Much like the predictable IRA comparison, yours fails too.

Being Muslim doesn't in and of itself mean one is a terrorist (or supports terrorism), just like being white doesn't in and of itself means one is in the Klan. The KKK is actually a pretty apt comparison for the jihadi, radical fundamentalist wing of Islam.

[cal_junior]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

I blame Chester A. Arthur. He was a secret canadian president who opened the door with his co-religionists so that America would face the scourge of Justin Bieber.

Damnit. I knew there was a reason I hated that guy.

[RedskinsDave]

Originally Posted by cal_junior

Being Muslim doesn't in and of itself mean one is a terrorist (or supports terrorism), just like being white doesn't in and of itself means one is in the Klan. The KKK is actually a pretty apt comparison for the jihadi, radical fundamentalist wing of Islam.

No it isn't because other white people find them repulsive and don't just shrug their shoulders at them. The point you all keep missing is it isn't just some small radical element. It is much more pervasive than that and it is shocking.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by cal_junior

Damnit. I knew there was a reason I hated that guy.

No joke, but there were Arthur birthers accusing him of being a canadian.

[cal_junior]

Originally Posted by RedskinsDave

No it isn't because other white people find them repulsive and don't just shrug their shoulders at them.

Exactly. Just like other Muslims find the fundamentalists repulsive. I can't even begin to comprehend the negative impact jihadis have had on the quality of life for American Muslims.

[Keino]

Originally Posted by RedskinsDave

No it isn't because other white people find them repulsive and don't just shrug their shoulders at them. The point you all keep missing is it isn't just some small radical element. It is much more pervasive than that and it is shocking.

Dave I am not going to let you keep getting away with this without comment. There are plenty of Muslims, most in fact, who view Jihadists as perverting their peaceful religion. You cannot keep saying this without showing some proof of this claim.

I had abandoned this line of discussion because I find it highly unproductive, and I came back to the thread for an entirely different reason, which will be my next post. The fact is, for the better part of 50 years, shrugging shoulders was exactly what happened in reaction to the Klan's terrorist tactics.

[RedskinsDave]

Originally Posted by cal_junior

Exactly. Just like other Muslims find the fundamentalists repulsive. I can't even begin to comprehend the negative impact jihadis have had on the quality of life for American Muslims.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by cal_junior

Exactly. Just like other Muslims find the fundamentalists repulsive. I can't even begin to comprehend the negative impact jihadis have had on the quality of life for American Muslims.

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"We condemn terrorists. We recognize it exists in our faith, but we are committed to eradicate it," said Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, who is leading the charge to build the Cordoba House.

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Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf: My first thought was deep disappointment that the Muslim world reacted in such a destructive way. The burning of churches and things like that are completely antithetical to the teachings and principles of Islam. While we may have our grounds for disagreeingand some of us may disagree stronglywith the remarks that the Holy Father quoted, and while it might be offensive, destruction was not warranted by Islamic thought or jurisprudence.

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“The truth is that killing innocent people is always wrong — and no argument or excuse, no matter how deeply believed, can ever make it right. No religion on earth condones the killing of innocent people, no faith tradition tolerates the random killing of our brothers and sisters on this earth. ... Islamic law is clearly against terrorism, against any kind of deliberate killing of civilians or similar ‘collateral damage.’ ”

The book also includes a copy of the fatwa, a religious ruling, issued by senior Middle Eastern Muslim clerics that called the 9/11 attacks un-Islamic. The ruling, requested by the United States military’s top Muslim chaplain, gave permission to Muslims in the United States armed forces to fight in the war in Afghanistan.

I guess this is all talk until they behead a terrorist in times square lol.

Rauf, btw, was called a "good muslim" by Glenn Beck for opposing terrorism.

[RedskinsDave]

Originally Posted by Keino

Dave I am not going to let you keep getting away with this without comment. There are plenty of Muslims, most in fact, who view Jihadists as perverting their peaceful religion. You cannot keep saying this without showing some proof of this claim.

The proof are the sheer numbers of people here who are a danger. Never mind the ones overseas.

I had abandoned this line of discussion because I find it highly unproductive, and I came back to the thread for an entirely different reason, which will be my next post. The fact is, for the better part of 50 years, shrugging shoulders was exactly what happened in reaction to the Klan's terrorist tactics.

So people ignored the Klan and that makes it okay for Muslims to ignore their radicals? I would think that would behoove them to be more reactive.

[RedskinsDave]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

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I guess this is all talk until they behead a terrorist in times square lol.

Funny how words don't mean anything coming from the Pope regarding the IRA but they are enough for these folks. Consistency is awesome. You liberals may want to exercise it.

[Keino]

Originally Posted by Keino

My premiums went up annually before it was passed. I highly doubt that ACA is the reason your premiums are rising. I had my premium go up 20% one year (2006 to 2007) and all I did was go for normal routine visits that year. The good thing is that now your insurer will have to put the lion's share of your premium towards paying for/ providing medical services or they will have to cut you a refund check. Not sure if that is an aggregate calculation or case by case calculation. I would assume aggregate.

I came back to this thread to address this, not Dave's untenable position holding members of a religion responsible for the acts of few.

I just received a check from my Previous health insurer for what amounts to almost one of my monthly premium checks as a result of the provision I cite above.

The Transmittal reads:

Dear Mr. Keino -

Enclosed is your health insurance premium rebate check which is required by the Affordable Healthcare Act and the medical loss ratio provision.

I suspect others will be receiving similar checks and notices.....

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by Keino

I came back to this thread to address this, not Dave's untenable position holding members of a religion responsible for the acts of few.

I just received a check from my Previous health insurer for what amounts to almost one of my monthly premium checks as a result of the provision I cite above.

The Transmittal reads:

Dear Mr. Keino -

Enclosed is your health insurance premium rebate check which is required by the Affordable Healthcare Act and the medical loss ratio provision.

I suspect others will be receiving similar checks and notices.....

So, you're trying to say that secret Islamic socialism can be beneficial?

EDIT: for the record, I didn't and still don't agree with the policy of these rebates. They should be taken as extra taxation on the insurers not as direct payments to customers.

[Keino]

Originally Posted by RedskinsDave

The proof are the sheer numbers of people here who are a danger. Never mind the ones overseas.

Sheer numbers of people who are here that are a danger based on what?

Originally Posted by RedskinsDave

So people ignored the Klan and that makes it okay for Muslims to ignore their radicals? I would think that would behoove them to be more reactive.

That's not what I am saying at all. I was merely correcting your incorrrect assertion. Ignoring the Klan is what most white people did during their reign of terror. I dispute the idea that non-radical Muslims ignore the radicals.

Originally Posted by RedskinsDave

Funny how words don't mean anything coming from the Pope regarding the IRA but they are enough for these folks. Consistency is awesome. You liberals may want to exercise it.

Nobody said that the words don't mean anything. In fact, I specifically argued that the words is all they can do to stop it. They can condemn, they can discourage, but at the end of the day, Al-qaeda operatives are going to do what they want, the same as IRA operatives.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by Keino

Nobody said that the words don't mean anything. In fact, I specifically argued that the words is all they can do to stop it. They can condemn, they can discourage, but at the end of the day, Al-qaeda operatives are going to do what they want, the same as IRA operatives.

And to be completely accurate, JP2 didn't condemn the IRA(or the Oranges). This is what he said:

On my knees I beg you to turn away from the paths of violence and to return to the ways of peace....Violence only delays the day of justice....Further violence in Ireland will only drag down to ruin the land you claim to love and the values you claim to cherish. In the name of God I beg you