Penn State scandal/JoePa fired

[shally]

Originally Posted by AustinSkin

Give the current players amnesty to transfer to another team without having to sit out a year. Then scuttle the entire program, take 2 years off, and start fresh.

+1

totally agree. anything less than that will cause the boil to continue to fester.. sooner or later PSU is going to have to come to grips with what actually happened.. better that they get in front on this issue, as opposed to fighting to contain it..

[Keino]

I cannot agree with closing down the program. Take down the statues, fire the responsible parties, clean up the program and yes, allow players to be unconditionally released from their scholarships if they choose to transfer. But shutting down the program will kill the town of State College and will unfairly punish a large number of people who had nothing to do with this cover-up. Killing the program won't do anything for the victims.

[RedskinsDave]

They have to kill the program. There is no other reasonable option right now. Even through this scandal, there are still people left defending Paterno and the school. They need to watch it burn so they can understand the gravity of what happened. The cover up is nearly as bad as the crime. Considering what garnered severe penalties and death penalties for other schools, this one most certainly warrants it.

http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/8...no-true-legacy

I hope Penn State loses civil suits until the walls of the accounting office cave in. I hope that Spanier, Schultz and Curley go to prison for perjury. I hope the NCAA gives Penn State the death penalty it most richly deserves. The worst scandal in college football history deserves the worst penalty the NCAA can give. They gave it to SMU for winning without regard for morals. They should give it to Penn State for the same thing. The only difference is, at Penn State they didn't pay for it with Corvettes. They paid for it with lives.

[Emmanouel8]

Originally Posted by Keino

I cannot agree with closing down the program. Take down the statues, fire the responsible parties, clean up the program and yes, allow players to be unconditionally released from their scholarships if they choose to transfer. But shutting down the program will kill the town of State College and will unfairly punish a large number of people who had nothing to do with this cover-up. Killing the program won't do anything for the victims.

It may not do anything for the victims, but it will make future leadership everywhere think twice before they try to cover up child sex abuse.

[Keino]

Originally Posted by Emmanouel8

It may not do anything for the victims, but it will make future leadership everywhere think twice before they try to cover up child sex abuse.

You think with the arrests and trials pending that someone is going to think about covering up a scandal like this ever again at that University?

I don't agree with throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Most people affected by a decision to kill the program would have had nothing to do with the issues at hand. That's not justice, that's revenge and bloodlust.

[RedskinsDave]

Originally Posted by Keino

You think with the arrests and trials pending that someone is going to think about covering up a scandal like this ever again at that University?

I don't agree with throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Most people affected by a decision to kill the program would have had nothing to do with the issues at hand. That's not justice, that's revenge and bloodlust.

It is justice. That would be like saying we shouldn't throw someone in jail because his kids would suffer. Sorry kids, your dad wrote this check, not us. Ohio State is paying for a cover up over kids exchanging THEIR OWN stuff for tattoos. If we use that as the barometer for the punishment Penn State is looking at, we'd need to mobilize the National Guard because the only option would be to nuke the school.

[AustinSkin]

Release the players and let them go to another school. Scuttle the entire program. Invest in an entirely new staff and spend big bucks for a GREAT coach. Turn the recruiting machine back on, and start a new era of Penn State football, with no connection to the past regime.

That's the only way I can see this program succeeding going forward.

[Keino]

Originally Posted by RedskinsDave

It is justice. That would be like saying we shouldn't throw someone in jail because his kids would suffer. Sorry kids, your dad wrote this check, not us. Ohio State is paying for a cover up over kids exchanging THEIR OWN stuff for tattoos. If we use that as the barometer for the punishment Penn State is looking at, we'd need to mobilize the National Guard because the only option would be to nuke the school.

No it's not. That example says "don't punish the people responsible because someone else will suffer". I am saying punish the folks responsible to the fullest extent of the law, but don't kill off a whole town economically or ruin the lives of people who had nothing to do with this mess.

I think you know where I stand on the Ohio State stuff. I think that is a hypocritical crap punishment.

[Passepartout74]

Penn State is a big time university that loves football like a god. Wished that you could erase the past 13 years. Or better yet, not hire Sandusky in the first place or ever hear him name at all.

Though wished that the university could find a way to erase the past thirteen years for the sake of the kids and their families.

[shally]

honestly, disbanding the program for just 2 years would be getting off easy, IMHO

what they did to those kids was unconscionable . there was no way the higher ups didnt know about what Sandusky was doing.. the cover up IS worse than the crime

if SMU went dark for 2 years for what they did, PSU deserves AT LEAST that much.. and there is STILL denial on the part of many.. taking down a few statues does NOTHING to deter future conduct like this.. they need to pay the strongest possible penalty

yes, there will be collateral damage.. there always is.. but it doesnt mean that PSU should be called to account for their complicity in this horrendous affair

[Emmanouel8]

Originally Posted by Keino

You think with the arrests and trials pending that someone is going to think about covering up a scandal like this ever again at that University?

I don't agree with throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Most people affected by a decision to kill the program would have had nothing to do with the issues at hand. That's not justice, that's revenge and bloodlust.

Let me modify response to:

It may not do anything for the victims, but it will make future leadership and individuals at lower levels everywhere think twice before they try to cover up, or not "whistle blow" child sex abuse.

Revenge and blood lust is putting the game of football on too high of a pedestal. At the end of the day its just a game. That has to be clear when handing down these punishments that brushing something like this under the carpet to preserve the "program" is way worse than just dealing with it. The precious Penn State football program enabled Sandusky because it was too precious for those involved to subject it to a sex abuse scandel.

It's not a perfect world, the athletes can find another university to play for. Fair, or not.

[akhhorus]

I agree with the idea of shutting down the program(I don't think its going to happen), but I have a better idea: put an NCAA appointed administrator(Someone with no ties to PSU) in charge of the entire program for 10 years and limit the football budget to the NCAA FBS average+50% of any alumni donations(the rest goes to charities for abused/molested children).

[RedskinsDave]

Here's an example of why they need to shut it down:



409 wins you say? What's the current Wins:Covered Up Molestations ratio these days? Since we know of 8 I guess its around 50 per kid. Not bad. They just made it.

Edit: That picture may have been from when he died. I thought it was more recent because of the story it was posted on.

[akhhorus]

Today's Lulz:

Link

To the Paterno family, the Freeh Report was merely the scribblings of an Inquisitor, a series of "opinions and interpretations [presented] as if they were absolute facts." Which is a shame, because for $6.5 million, seven months, hundreds of interviews and millions of records, you would have hoped for something a little more completist.

Enter the Paterno family, who is vowing to sponsor their own investigation to get to the bottom of what happened at Penn State.

[Keino]

Originally Posted by shally

honestly, disbanding the program for just 2 years would be getting off easy, IMHO

what they did to those kids was unconscionable . there was no way the higher ups didnt know about what Sandusky was doing.. the cover up IS worse than the crime

if SMU went dark for 2 years for what they did, PSU deserves AT LEAST that much.. and there is STILL denial on the part of many.. taking down a few statues does NOTHING to deter future conduct like this.. they need to pay the strongest possible penalty

yes, there will be collateral damage.. there always is.. but it doesnt mean that PSU should be called to account for their complicity in this horrendous affair

The football program didn't do this to those kids. Sandusky did it and some other individuals were complicit, but if you don't think taking down Joe Pa's statute and removing his name from the library etc. does nothing, I submit you are not familiar with the culture of the town of State College, PA or the school.

People are in denial for one reason. Nobody wants to believe that Joe Pa, who at one time represented everything that was good about college football could turn a blind eye to his friend's sick issues.

Originally Posted by Emmanouel8

Let me modify response to:

It may not do anything for the victims, but it will make future leadership and individuals at lower levels everywhere think twice before they try to cover up, or not "whistle blow" child sex abuse.

Revenge and blood lust is putting the game of football on too high of a pedestal. At the end of the day its just a game. That has to be clear when handing down these punishments that brushing something like this under the carpet to preserve the "program" is way worse than just dealing with it. The precious Penn State football program enabled Sandusky because it was too precious for those involved to subject it to a sex abuse scandel.

It's not a perfect world, the athletes can find another university to play for. Fair, or not.

I disagree. You will be effectively killing a town if you take away PSU football.

Originally Posted by akhhorus

I agree with the idea of shutting down the program(I don't think its going to happen), but I have a better idea: put an NCAA appointed administrator(Someone with no ties to PSU) in charge of the entire program for 10 years and limit the football budget to the NCAA FBS average+50% of any alumni donations(the rest goes to charities for abused/molested children).

I like that idea.