The Draft Position/Playoff Possibility thread Week 13 - Page 5

jaylen · #61 11-30-2011, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by hail2skins

I would consider that the Redskins bottomed out and that caused Allen and Shanny to be hired. What is your meaning of bottom out.

I consider a couple 4 win or less seasons bottoming out we are always just on the outside of being competitive and spend and manuever every year as if we have a chance. Rather than just state we're tearing it down it'll take a couple seasons young guys are gonna play and grow.

Patientfan · #62 12-01-2011, 11:07 AM

Something to consider. When you take the list of the highest drafted QB for each year since 1983, of those only 4 have won Super Bowls. That's 4 in 28 years.

Eli Manning
Peyton Manning
Troy Aikman
John Elway

oldskinfan · #63 12-01-2011, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Patientfan

Something to consider. When you take the list of the highest drafted QB for each year since 1983, of those only 4 have won Super Bowls. That's 4 in 28 years.

Eli Manning
Peyton Manning
Troy Aikman
John Elway

But in the last 20 super bowls, 13 have been won by 1st round picks (14 if you include Brees, the 1st pick in 2nd round). The non 1st round pick winners are Tom Brady (3), Kurt Warner, Brad Johnson, and Mark Rypien. Makes you realize how incredibly luck the Patriots were to get Brady.

** Correction: Had Rypien in twice. Kurt Warner is the other non 1st rounder.

CNYSkinFan · #64 12-01-2011, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by oldskinfan

But in the last 20 super bowls, 13 have been won by 1st round picks (14 if you include Brees, the 1st pick in 2nd round). The non 1st round pick winners are Tom Brady (3), Mark Rypien, Brad Johnson, and Mark Rypien. Makes you realize how incredibly luck the Patriots were to get Brady.

i think you meant trent Dilfer instead of two mark rypiens

akhhorus · #65 12-01-2011, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CNYSkinFan

i think you meant trent Dilfer instead of two mark rypiens

Dilfer was a 1st rounder I believe.

Patientfan · #66 12-01-2011, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by oldskinfan

But in the last 20 super bowls, 13 have been won by 1st round picks (14 if you include Brees, the 1st pick in 2nd round). The non 1st round pick winners are Tom Brady (3), Mark Rypien, Brad Johnson, and Mark Rypien. Makes you realize how incredibly luck the Patriots were to get Brady.

Which is why I say don't root for losses. You don't need the top pick. You don't even need top ten. You need a good team that just needs a good QB to get to that final level. Win games and if you find the QB you truly want available, get him. The idea that you need a high pick to win the Super Bowl is what I was contesting.

Believe me if a good QB is available round 1 and Shanny thinks he's "the one", I want Shanny to take him. I like RGIII, Luck, Barkley. If they are all gone and Shanny doesn't like Jones, I have no problem with him filling another position. I think he takes one this year and would love it to be one of those top 3 I mentioned. But don't just grab a guy, because it's better to hit on those 1st round picks then to waste them on a mediocre or worse QB. Those guys become anchors for years, just like Campbell...always waiting for them to blossom.

Patientfan · #67 12-01-2011, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by akhhorus

Dilfer was a 1st rounder I believe.

Yeah Dilfer was the 6th pick overall if I recall.

CNYSkinFan · #68 12-01-2011, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by akhhorus

Dilfer was a 1st rounder I believe.

really...wow...yeah I just looked it up. Amazing for such a pedestrian career outside of that one superbowl year

akhhorus · #69 12-01-2011, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CNYSkinFan

really...wow...yeah I just looked it up. Amazing for such a pedestrian career outside of that one superbowl year

#6 overall pick. Meanwhile Jeff Garcia and Kurt Warner went undrafted.

CNYSkinFan · #70 12-01-2011, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by akhhorus

#6 overall pick. Meanwhile Jeff Garcia and Kurt Warner went undrafted.

the more I read stuff like that the more I wonder if a trade of a second rounder for Matt Flynn is a good idea

Lavar703 · #71 12-01-2011, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Patientfan

If we win out we will have won 6 games in a row, one of which was over the Patriots. It would seem that a team capable of doing that would have some good pieces, no?

And I pointed out above how QBs drafted inside the top 10 actually don't do that much better than those drafted later in round 1.

I won't apologize for wanting my team to win games. I'll worry about the draft when the draft is here. For now, I want the pieces we already have to show they can play. Hoping 53 pieces suck so that I can get a statistically insignificant better shot at improving at 1 piece seems misguided at best. In the past ten years of drafts only one of those top 10 drafted QBs has brought home a Super Bowl. One.

By the way, I wouldn't be overly surprised if we win 4 of our last 5. I can make arguments that the Skins can beat every team remaining with the exception of the Patriots.

Aaron Rodgers
Ben Rothlisberger
Peyton Manning
Drew Brees
Trent Dilfer
Eli Manning

Tom Brady
Brad Johnson

Since 01' only two QB's outside of the top 32 picks in the draft have won a Super Bowl.

Patientfan · #72 12-01-2011, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Lavar703

Aaron Rodgers
Ben Rothlisberger
Peyton Manning
Drew Brees
Trent Dilfer
Eli Manning

Tom Brady
Brad Johnson

Since 01' only two QB's outside of the top 32 picks in the draft have won a Super Bowl.

And only two of them were drafted top ten.

So win out and get one later in Rd 1

Fathead · #73 12-01-2011, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Patientfan

And only two of them were drafted top ten.

So win out and get one later in Rd 1

oldskinfan · #74 12-01-2011, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CNYSkinFan

i think you meant trent Dilfer instead of two mark rypiens

Corrected. Kurt Warner was the other non first rounder.

Rypien was good on the long ball and was surrounded by talent including an awesome O-line.

Johnson threw a catchable ball and was a good game manager.

Brady and Warner were true diamonds in the rough. But what if Bledsoe and Trent Green had not gotten injured? Talk about fate.

akhhorus · #75 12-01-2011, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by oldskinfan

Corrected. Kurt Warner was the other non first rounder.

Rypien was good on the long ball and was surrounded by talent including an awesome O-line.

Johnson threw a catchable ball and was a good game manager.

Brady and Warner were true diamonds in the rough. But what if Bledsoe and Trent Green had not gotten injured? Talk about fate.

According to Belichick and Kraft, the Pats were thinking of benching Bledsoe for Brady before Bledsoe got hurt. Take it for what its worth.