This Ole Fart Thinks: Redskins vs Giants

hail2skins · #1 12-18-2011, 07:56 PM

http://www.hailredskins.com/?p=955

"Guff On" - akhhorus

oldskinfan · #2 12-18-2011, 08:11 PM

Good post, especially regarding the play of the secondary with Atoghwe and Gomes. I also thought Westbrook had good game an Zo was a ST beast.

I think we will beat the Vikings but not so sure on the Eagles. Vick always gives us fits. If we DO win that one, it bodes well for us having competitive division records in the future, meaning our personnel can hang with anyone in the division. The Dallas games were all close.

Biggest surprise to me was the play of the O-line which pushed the Giants around much if the day, even when they started stacking 8 in the box. This was also one of Shanny Jr.'s better play calling days. The other surprise was a lot of dropped balls by the Giants.

If we had a true #1 WR who could go after a deep ball, the score would have been more like 30-10 or 37-10.

7-9 or 6-10, if we get a real prospect at QB you have to feel good going into next year... At least compared to 5 weeks ago.

shally · #3 12-18-2011, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by oldskinfan

Good post, especially regarding the play of the secondary with Atoghwe and Gomes. I also thought Westbrook had good game an Zo was a ST beast.

I think we will beat the Vikings but not so sure on the Eagles. Vick always gives us fits. If we DO win that one, it bodes well for us having competitive division records in the future, meaning our personnel can hang with anyone in the division. The Dallas games were all close.

Biggest surprise to me was the play of the O-line which pushed the Giants around much if the day, even when they started stacking 8 in the box. This was also one of Shanny Jr.'s better play calling days. The other surprise was a lot of dropped balls by the Giants.

If we had a true #1 WR who could go after a deep ball, the score would have been more like 30-10 or 37-10.

7-9 or 6-10, if we get a real prospect at QB you have to feel good going into next year... At least compared to 5 weeks ago.

I think there is room for guarded optimism.. we still need more talent for this roster, but compare our effort ( a team going nowhere this offseason) to the effort of the Giants ( a team with their own postseason destiny in their hands).
the Giants really never showed up to play today.. we did..

justinskins · #4 12-18-2011, 11:31 PM

Thanks for the write-up. I didn't get to watch due to final exams. However, I agree with your guarded optimism about the future of the team. We will take a QB in the first round. I won't be surprised if we trade up to get the guy Shanny wants. This year really exposed us. The important thing is to save high picks in coming years. If we get a young QB, we need to continue building the lines.

The only thing we disagree about is the next two games. I wouldn't be totally surprised if we win one or both, but I have an easier time believing we will lose out either. I can see us losing to the Vikings very easily. Who knows, it may be ugly. The important thing is that there are flashes of hope (although really they have been there for several weeks).

SpicyMcHaggis · #5 12-19-2011, 02:08 AM

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Can you say 7-9? Yup, that is exactly what I see coming down the pike for us. What a strange season that would make it. 3-1 start, 3-1 finish. Major cycling the bowl the remainder of the year. The plain truth, however, is that we played a lot of tough close games and lost most of them. Switch the 2 Dallas losses on the basis of 2 plays, and we would end up 9-7 and in the playoff hunt. That is how close these things are.

Two considerations:
1)7-9 is about the worst record possible for us. I have a hard time imagining a more depressing outcome for the season, especially since the final 3 or 4 wins would have come with the playoffs already a mathematical impossibility.
2)Out of our 5 wins, 3 were by 7 points or less (including a 1 pointer at home vs. the Cards). Out of 9 losses, 4 were by 7 points or less. So percentage wise, it was actually our wins that came with a lesser margin.

culpeper · #6 12-19-2011, 09:23 AM

What a difference a W makes.

Im glad we swept the Giants, but we're not going anywhere with Rex at QB. Yesterday was more about the Giants poor play than the Redskins superior play.

I find it ironic that Rex screwed us out of a chance to win the East, and is now screwing us out of a chance to get a top flight QB. With all due respect, Tannehill, Foles, etc are not on the same level as Luck, RG3, (and possibly Barley, I havent seen enough of him). If we dont get one of the top 3, we might as well take the BPA and keep building (take a Russell Wilson in later rounds).

I understand that a lot happens before April, but as a franchise, we have to make sure we also dont reach for the next Ramsey, or JC, just because QB is a position of need. I would much rather trade the farm and get Luck instead of reaching for the second tier guys in the 1st (if those are my options).

Im in RG3-land right now. That doesnt mean Shanny likes him though, especially for his offense. He's very particular in how his QB's play and Cutler didnt start until mid-season. He also doesnt tailor his offense to fit personnel, its the other way around.

Im just TIRED OF WAITING for a good football team...and it will never happen with 2TO-Rex in any capacity.

shally · #7 12-19-2011, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SpicyMcHaggis

Two considerations:
1)7-9 is about the worst record possible for us. I have a hard time imagining a more depressing outcome for the season, especially since the final 3 or 4 wins would have come with the playoffs already a mathematical impossibility.
2)Out of our 5 wins, 3 were by 7 points or less (including a 1 pointer at home vs. the Cards). Out of 9 losses, 4 were by 7 points or less. So percentage wise, it was actually our wins that came with a lesser margin.

in most cases you have to walk before you can run.. just as the final 1/3 of Gibbs first season set the table for a SB run the next year, I can only hope that with more talent and the critical position at qb finally set, we can set the table for a playoff run next year.

the key decision will be at QB.. Rex will be back, in some capacity next year. you can see the handwriting on that one.. but it wont prevent us taking a qb in the draft to groom

SpicyMcHaggis · #8 12-19-2011, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by shally

in most cases you have to walk before you can run.. just as the final 1/3 of Gibbs first season set the table for a SB run the next year, I can only hope that with more talent and the critical position at qb finally set, we can set the table for a playoff run next year.

the key decision will be at QB.. Rex will be back, in some capacity next year. you can see the handwriting on that one.. but it wont prevent us taking a qb in the draft to groom

If the key to next season, and to the foreseeable future is the qb position (and I agree it is), we are metaphorically taking a sledgehammer to our balls with every win.

shally · #9 12-19-2011, 11:46 AM

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If the key to next season, and to the foreseeable future is the qb position (and I agree it is), we are metaphorically taking a sledgehammer to our balls with every win.

As long as guys like big ben and rodgers are stillfound outside of the top 10 we cannot say we are out of the running if we finish with wins in the last 2 games

SpicyMcHaggis · #10 12-19-2011, 11:53 AM

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As long as guys like big ben and rodgers are stillfound outside of the top 10 we cannot say we are out of the running if we finish with wins in the last 2 games

Rodgers is actually a great example of what can happen if you pick one pick too late.

Seriously, I would rather sit in a position where I can control my own destiny on draft day if I am in need for a QB than in the middle of the first round where pretty much anything can happen.

Hr fan · #11 12-19-2011, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SpicyMcHaggis

If the key to next season, and to the foreseeable future is the qb position (and I agree it is), we are metaphorically taking a sledgehammer to our balls with every win.

Great! and so true.

Shally, agree that the Shanahans don't evaluate talent in a predictable manner, especially the qb position. Obviously want what Luck offers (brains, athletic tslent snd good charcter applied successfully to football), so the ? is who if the obvious choices are gone (and IMO they will be even if we are 6-10).

shally · #12 12-19-2011, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SpicyMcHaggis

Rodgers is actually a great example of what can happen if you pick one pick too late.

Seriously, I would rather sit in a position where I can control my own destiny on draft day if I am in need for a QB than in the middle of the first round where pretty much anything can happen.

i dont think that Rodgers was ever on Gibbs radar.. They were committed to getting Campbell all along

shally · #13 12-19-2011, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Hr fan

Great! and so true.

Shally, agree that the Shanahans don't evaluate talent in a predictable manner, especially the qb position. Obviously want what Luck offers (brains, athletic tslent snd good charcter applied successfully to football), so the ? is who if the obvious choices are gone (and IMO they will be even if we are 6-10).

i dont think that Luck is necessarily the best QB to come out of this draft, when the dust settles..often the first overall "sure thing" doesnt pan out.. I will be content if Shanahan gets to make the selection he wants this year.