Akh's Thoughts: 2011 Post Mortem

[shally]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

Kyyle wants to gun it, especially with zone seams. JC probably would have been a good idea to run it with.

disagree.. throwing the long ball was one of the weaker aspects of his game when he was here.. honestly, i didnt follow him that closely in Oakland, but while here he would throw long balls without any "air" under them..
also, he wasnt exactly quick to get the ball out of his hands and out to the receivers..

anyway, water under the bridge now..Shanahan likely had plenty of film to study before making his decision.. no question the decisions about mcnabb/rex/beck were all flawed.. you could make the case that his decision about campbell was also flawed and no one can disagree with you.. just saying..

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by shally

disagree.. throwing the long ball was one of the weaker aspects of his game when he was here.. honestly, i didnt follow him that closely in Oakland, but while here he would throw long balls without any "air" under them..
also, he wasnt exactly quick to get the ball out of his hands and out to the receivers..

anyway, water under the bridge now..Shanahan likely had plenty of film to study before making his decision.. no question the decisions about mcnabb/rex/beck were all flawed.. you could make the case that his decision about campbell was also flawed and no one can disagree with you.. just saying..

I was about to say, Shanny's decisions regarding Qbs in DC doesn't make me sanguin for how he evaluated Campbell lol.

[shally]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

I was about to say, Shanny's decisions regarding Qbs in DC doesn't make me sanguin for how he evaluated Campbell lol.

yup...0 for 3 so far (not including Campbell).. this is his last shot, as far as I am concerned

[oldskinfan]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

I was about to say, Shanny's decisions regarding Qbs in DC doesn't make me sanguin for how he evaluated Campbell lol.

Yup. And you could argue that the "old" Shanny might have been fine with a run-heavy offense and playaction. As limited as he was, JC did that well - and that's EXACTLY what he did in Oakland. I think pass-happy Shanny Jr.'s influence was his undoing here.

If we could use the wayback machine and kept JC (even if we brought in Grossman), and skipped the McNabb debacle, we would be in year 2 instead of year one of "rebuild", and with more new pieces in place, we might have taken a shot at a Dalton or Ryan Mallett in the last draft. And we'd be looking at O-line or Blackmon with this year's pick.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by oldskinfan

Yup. And you could argue that the "old" Shanny might have been fine with a run-heavy offense and playaction. As limited as he was, JC did that well - and that's EXACTLY what he did in Oakland. I think pass-happy Shanny Jr.'s influence was his undoing here.

The problem is that the league changed. Even in Oakland, while they've run the hell out of McFadden, they also keep the defenses honest with a lot of speed on the outside.

Originally Posted by oldskinfan

If we could use the wayback machine and kept JC (even if we brought in Grossman), and skipped the McNabb debacle, we would be in year 2 instead of year one of "rebuild", and with more new pieces in place, we might have taken a shot at a Dalton or Ryan Mallett in the last draft. And we'd be looking at O-line or Blackmon with this year's pick.

In retrospect, I would have incepted Shanny into not hiring his moron son.

[Hrabanmaur]

Shally

.....no, respectfully, Dude has flaws in his game.. no reason to rehash them but he isnt a QB to run a WCO

disagree.. throwing the long ball was one of the weaker aspects of his game when he was here.. honestly, i didnt follow him that closely in Oakland, but while here he would throw long balls without any "air" under them..
also, he wasnt exactly quick to get the ball out of his hands and out to the receivers..

anyway, water under the bridge now..Shanahan likely had plenty of film to study before making his decision.. no question the decisions about mcnabb/rex/beck were all flawed.. you could make the case that his decision about campbell was also flawed and no one can disagree with you.. just saying..

Just would like to clarify that I actually agree with most of your assessments above. I'm not saying JC is a West Coast QB or even a "Shannahan" QB (is that damning praise?). There are many reasons that JC is not a good fit here and that he'll never be anything more than an average QB at best.

I was saying that I would take him in a heartbeat over those who've walked in his shoes since his departure, and that his work ethic and his approach to the game and the team are very similar to say...John Beck, him so beloved by Senor Shannahan. I don't think anyone can legitimately quibble with JC's effort or attitude (although, his leadership as a QB is fair game).

Regardless, you're right - this is all water under the bridge. And the clock is ticking down for Shannahan to rectify our QB situation since the mediocrity of Campbell. So far, it's been a state of decline.

[cal_junior]

Originally Posted by Red Bear

if youre only going to pick and choose a sample portion of what i said the mistake was then dont even bother replying to me. you ignored atleast half the equation i laid out. its like what reporters do when they chop up quotes and try to make 4 or 5 words of that quote the headline and story when its not even what the player really said. and note that, if youre grooming a player, it doesnt mean theyre ready to play or even good right away, you groom them because they have potential but arent quite ready...

I was responding to a point you made. The rest of your post didn't qualify or change it all, so I don't see the problem. You said that Mike made a mistake by not keeping JC and "immediately" drafting a QB. Based on the '10 QB class I don't think that's necessarily true

Defend your point or don't. I don't care. But nothing was taken out of context.

(Just an FYI: Reporters don't write headlines.)

[cal_junior]

Originally Posted by CNYSkinFan

Lets say he went with JC and did not draft a qb in 2010, and instead focused on the 2011 draft, he would of had more ammo in his pocket to move up in 2010 and get the qb he wanted. he could have used that 2nd on defense and then been able to trade up to get Locker or another qb he coveted in 2011.

Or he could have gone after a lower round qb like webb, skelton or kafka in 2010 to actually, you know, groom into a good qb.

It's too early to say whether keeping JC and drafting somebody last year would have worked. But certainly that class is looking better than the '10 class group about now.

[skinsfan36]

nice write up. vince young is the last qb i would ever want here. id rather watch brandon banks qb us lol. had an interesting tweet convo with tandler. asked him if he thinks skins will take a guard since korys hurt and chester sucks. he replied that chester had an ok year lol. also said didnt think guard was that highly regarded in zbs. i think larry micheal has brainwashed him