redskins draft version 2

[silverspring]

Assumptions:
-Too many holes to rationalizes the high cost of trading the house for RG3
-Shanny isn't sold on Flynn
-Cerrato is gone, we shouldn't even be talking about the manning move.

Trade 1st round #6 pick + Next years 5th (extra) to Patriots for Mallet, 1st round pick #27

1st(27th pick from Pats) C Peter Konz Immediate upgrade and long term solution at center that will make you forget about casey rabach completely.
2nd(39th pick) OG Kelechi Osemele Immediate starter, brawler who understands the game. Can also play tackle. Senior Bowl player.
3rd(70th pick) WR Brian Quick This 6-4 220 WR isn't a burner, but has good hands and will be our red zone solution. Still has some polishing to do, but has good work ethic. Essentially, Ashlon Jeffries without the issues.
4th(102 pick) OT James Brown Not an immediate starter, but a potential long term solution at RT. Another senior bowl player who played on the south team.
4th(108th pick from raiders for JC) NT Josh Chapman Played on a torn ACL this year and still played better than our NTs. He is the perfect 3-4 NT, seems content to be a hole plugger. This is a long term investment that falls into our laps because of injury and we can't pass him up.
5th(133 pick) QB Ryan Lindley I have a feeling shanny will like this guy. He has the protypical NFL Qb size and has a strong arm. Not a runner but can move a bit. If he can work on his decision making and accuracy he might turn into something in a couple years. Got to work with skins at the senior bowl.
6th(162 pick from vikings for mcnabb) TE George Bryan Big framed target with great hands.
-------6th(166 Pick to saints for jammal brown)
7th(196 pick) WR/KR Devon Wylie Special teams return man and WR.

Undrafted:
FB Chad Diehl Good lead blocking fullback
S Eddie Whitley Safety that has some speed and ball skills from vtech.

Free Agent Pick Ups: Tom Zbikowski SS, Brandon Carr CB , Neil Rackers K

Let go of/don't resign: davis, landry, brown, doughty, grossman, stallworth, sellers, hall, torain, armstrong, chester, locklear, gano, mcintosh, cook, robinson, moss

Resign/keep: fletcher, cooley, montgomery, hightower, rocca, atogwe, golston, lichtensteiger, fox, brown, anderson

I know a lot of people will not be too excited about the Mallet solution, but it allows us to still draft and fill a lot of positions of need while taking a shot at a QB. An offense oriented draft, obviously, I think the oline needs a lot of attention.

No doubt, Mallet could be a dud, but this move costs us very little and has huge upside. We know one thing, Mallet has an undisputed world class arm and the size you want to see. He fell like a rock last year because of his maturity and it sounds as if he has made some strides there this year. Where better to mature then under Belicheck and Brady? Not mobile, but fulfills shanahan's fetish for QBs with cannons. I don't think Hoyer has much trade value for the pats, but Mallet does right now, so they keep hoyer and get rid of mallet. Belicheck will of course then take that #6 and trade down for 10 picks.



53 Man Roster
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QB Ryan Mallet, Rex Grossman, Ryan Lindley
C Peter Konz, Will Montgomery
OT Trent Williams, Willie Smith, James Brown, Tyler Polumbus
G Maurice Hurt, Kory Lichtensteiger, Kelechi Osemele
RB Helu, Royster, Hightower
WR Brian Quick, Leonard Hankerson, Jabar Gaffney, Niles Paul, Terrence Austin, Devin Wylie
TE Cooley, Paulsen, George Bryan
FB Young, Diehl

NT Barry Cofield, Chris Nield, Josh Chapman
DE Bowen, Jenkins, Golston, Carriker
OLB Kerrigan, Orakpo, Alexander, White, Jackson
ILB Fletcher, Riley, Fox
S Atogwe, Tom Zbikowski, Dejon Gomes, Eddie Whitley
CB Josh Wilson, Brandon Carr, Thompson, Kevin Barnes, Westbrook
PR/KR Devin Wylie
P Rocca
K Rackers
LS Sundberg

[joethefan]

This draft is not sexy but it makes sense. Also if we trade with NE, I think IMO its too much to give up that high pick and give up that many points to drop all the way down to 27 IMO.

If anything I'd give up my 2nd this year for Mallet straight up recognizing he's matured and get an Impact player at 6 or do whatever I wish with my top pick. The value of that top pick is what we need to maneuver. We could drop from 6 to 14-17 and get our 2nd back and still get an impact player.

And I decided I did not want to read anything more after reading you had Grossman on the 53 man roster. I'll give you another chance to correct your typing error I'm gonna say this 1 time, 24+ turnovers. Maybe the kids you were thinking about was named Throssman...LOL

[Patrick]

Like it but I think Adam Carriker needs to be added to the resign group.

[dogfight6]

Don't know enough about Mallet to comment but like Joe's idea better. How do you release Davis if he's tagged?

[Moe]

Why would a first round pick be included in a trade for a player (Mallett) that has never taken a pro snap and was drafted in the 3rd? I know you're obsessed with him but that makes zero sense.

[Rickskins76]

I agree, this whole Mallett thing is ridiculous...we passed on that kid like three times in last years draft. So you are telling me that after passing on a player a few times ourselves last year now this year we are going to give up multiple picks to in essense say "My Bad"....


Sorry but after you even suggested that I stopped reading...

[silverspring]

Originally Posted by joethefan

This draft is not sexy but it makes sense. Also if we trade with NE, I think IMO its too much to give up that high pick and give up that many points to drop all the way down to 27 IMO.

If anything I'd give up my 2nd this year for Mallet straight up recognizing he's matured and get an Impact player at 6 or do whatever I wish with my top pick. The value of that top pick is what we need to maneuver. We could drop from 6 to 14-17 and get our 2nd back and still get an impact player.

And I decided I did not want to read anything more after reading you had Grossman on the 53 man roster. I'll give you another chance to correct your typing error I'm gonna say this 1 time, 24+ turnovers. Maybe the kids you were thinking about was named Throssman...LOL

Originally Posted by Moe

Why would a first round pick be included in a trade for a player (Mallett) that has never taken a pro snap and was drafted in the 3rd? I know you're obsessed with him but that makes zero sense.

I was actually opposed to mallet last year, but the fact is that he has the tools and if you look at young QBs who might be available he is the only one out there that I believe has the potential to be the real deal.
In terms of the value, this is belicheck we are dealing with, so I guess I figure that reality says that he is going to get the better end of us on a trade.
If you look at the current QB class, after Luck and RG3 I don't see another QB who has the upside Mallet does. This trade represents giving up a low first rounder for mallet. People are talking tannehill in the upper half of the first round which seems absurd to me. Mallet is a better prospect. He played in a pro style system. He is the ideal size. He has a deadly arm.

[silverspring]

Originally Posted by Patrick

Like it but I think Adam Carriker needs to be added to the resign group.

Yeah I forgot to put him on that list but it was intended, he is in my roster.

[silverspring]

Originally Posted by dogfight6

Don't know enough about Mallet to comment but like Joe's idea better. How do you release Davis if he's tagged?

Davis thinks he is tagged too, it is all that weed he is smoking.

[Emmanouel8]

5 years ago I would've had a wet dream if we drafted like that, now I'm all about taking playmakers. I don't know if you can burn a 1st round pick on a C with the holes we have in todays NFL.

[Moe]

Originally Posted by silverspring

I was actually opposed to mallet last year, but the fact is that he has the tools and if you look at young QBs who might be available he is the only one out there that I believe has the potential to be the real deal.
In terms of the value, this is belicheck we are dealing with, so I guess I figure that reality says that he is going to get the better end of us on a trade.
If you look at the current QB class, after Luck and RG3 I don't see another QB who has the upside Mallet does. This trade represents giving up a low first rounder for mallet. People are talking tannehill in the upper half of the first round which seems absurd to me. Mallet is a better prospect. He played in a pro style system. He is the ideal size. He has a deadly arm.

Only he really doesn't have the tools for this offense. His primary weakness was his lack of mobility and how dramatically his accuracy dropped off when outside the pocket. The Shanny's use too much QB motion for that not to be a problem.

It's also not Belichick's M.O. to trade young assests like this. He is always active with picks during the draft and willing to move on from players on his roster that he doesn't think are worth the money, but that doesn't fit for Mallett. Physically, Mallett is a lot like Brady and it makes more sense for them to keep him on the cheap and see if he grows into the position.

Brian Hoyer is the one that is most likely to move on from New England. He's a question mark but has strung together two solid pre-seasons and some very minor mop up time to garner interest, but I doubt it'll be in DC.

[silverspring]

Originally Posted by Moe

Only he really doesn't have the tools for this offense. His primary weakness was his lack of mobility and how dramatically his accuracy dropped off when outside the pocket. The Shanny's use too much QB motion for that not to be a problem.

It's also not Belichick's M.O. to trade young assests like this. He is always active with picks during the draft and willing to move on from players on his roster that he doesn't think are worth the money, but that doesn't fit for Mallett. Physically, Mallett is a lot like Brady and it makes more sense for them to keep him on the cheap and see if he grows into the position.

Brian Hoyer is the one that is most likely to move on from New England. He's a question mark but has strung together two solid pre-seasons and some very minor mop up time to garner interest, but I doubt it'll be in DC.

I agree that he isn't mobile and last year during the draft this was one of my arguments against him. Supposedly shanny likes mobility. But then I see Shanahan choosing Rex Grossman as his starter and staking his career on him. Rex is about as immobile as they come. Next thing you know, most of the pundits are putting manning here who is physically the exact same as mallet. Tall, big, immobile, rockstar arm. So there is a lot of evidence that shanahan himself and the sports community believe he can work with an immobile qb.

In terms of Hoyer, I see your point of view, but my opinion is that he is worthless. I think Belicheck would be very lucky to get a 4th rounder for him. Hence he trades mallet.

The mallet move is a gamble, but it is a very low risk gamble. We lose little in terms of draft picks or cap space. Look at what it enables us to do in this draft. Whether you believe the trade will happen or not, do you not like where this would put us?

[silverspring]

Originally Posted by Emmanouel8

5 years ago I would've had a wet dream if we drafted like that, now I'm all about taking playmakers. I don't know if you can burn a 1st round pick on a C with the holes we have in todays NFL.

What holes aren't addressed? 2 WRs. We restocked on WR and RB last year as well. I would like a young talented CB, but we fill that hole in free agency with Carr.

[Moe]

Originally Posted by silverspring

I agree that he isn't mobile and last year during the draft this was one of my arguments against him. Supposedly shanny likes mobility. But then I see Shanahan choosing Rex Grossman as his starter and staking his career on him. Rex is about as immobile as they come. Next thing you know, most of the pundits are putting manning here who is physically the exact same as mallet. Tall, big, immobile, rockstar arm. So there is a lot of evidence that shanahan himself and the sports community believe he can work with an immobile qb.

Grossman is slow and fat but they still rolled him out and when Beck was in they did that even more. With Manning, his other attributes trump his mobility issues (which can't be said for Mallett...or maybe any but 1-2 other QB's on the planet) but until he's wearing the BnG I'm hesitant to debate who he fits.

In terms of Hoyer, I see your point of view, but my opinion is that he is worthless. I think Belicheck would be very lucky to get a 4th rounder for him. Hence he trades mallet.

Hoyer is a RFA so that's why I mention him. The prescence of Mallett, in combination with Hoyer having some buzz, would indicate to me that they are unlikely to retain him. There are enough QB starved teams for one not to make him an offer that the Pats are unlikely to match.

The mallet move is a gamble, but it is a very low risk gamble. We lose little in terms of draft picks or cap space. Look at what it enables us to do in this draft. Whether you believe the trade will happen or not, do you not like where this would put us?

I think it's way too expensive a price for Mallett when there are other options. Obviously you don't like Tannehill (personally I don't know much about him) so that is factoring in here and my view of Mallett is obviously shading my perspective. As for the rest of your picks, they seemingly check a lot of the right boxes but I'm not enough of a college football nut to know much about most of the later round guys.

[Shrympscampi]

Nice mock.

Mine.

Free Agency:
QB: 2 - Kyle Orton and Chad Henne
ILB: Tavares Gooden
WR: Harry Douglas
S: Brodney Pool
OG: Mike McGlynn

Draft:
1st (6th pick) - Riley Reiff OT Iowa
2nd (39th pick) - Leonard Johnson CB, Iowa State
3rd (70th pick) - Chris Rainey RB/WR Florida
4th (102nd pick) - Tony Bergstrom OT/G Utah
4th (109th pick) - Emmanuel Acho ILB/OLB Texas
5th (133rd pick) - Damien jackson, S,
6th (162nd pick) - Jacory Harris QB Miami
7th (196th pick) - Donovan Richard S South Car ST