DFA: Trends Mock

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by hogs86

I also feel this way. If the skins do not take Tannenhill at 6 Miami will. Tannenhill is not the 6th best player but with all the QB hype that will starts next week at the NFL carbines there is a premium you pay for a QB now days.

They have too many holes for a reach like that.

Originally Posted by culpeper

IF this were to happen, Im not sure Id be terribly upset about it. I dont think Id be excited either. Peyton HEALTHY is interesting, but thats not the case. Tannehill looks good on paper until you get to the fact that he's played WR more than he's played QB in college.

I just cannot wrap my head around the Browns picking RGIII, much less moving up to get him. They have a chance to get two solid #1 guys to build their team, and Colt was serviceable in a new offense last year. The whole team stunk, not just Colt. The Browns boards are filled with hopes for Richardson, Claiborne, or Blackmon, NOT RGIII (unless he falls to them at 4 they would re-consider)

No, Colt was terrible last season. 2700 yards 14/11 td/ints 11 fumbles(2 lost) and 32 sacks taken. You can't build around him.

Originally Posted by culpeper

*Sometimes I think you just pick names out of a hat and make up positions, LOL, Ive never heard of any of these guys.

I watch a lot of college ball.

[HanburgerBum]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

Tannehill would really have to smoke his pro day to go in the top 30 right now. Foot injuries are very worrisome and will impact his throwing ability until its healed. I don't think his tape at TAMU will be good enough to trade for a top 15 pick.

As for the pick: Meh. Him or Weeden there in this scenario.




Chicago really to make a splash. I wouldn't be surprised if they try to move up for Martin or Jeffery.



I don't see him as much of a power back. But I've always been impressed with him.



Cleveland, imo, has one of two choices: go with a B level option and open it up to a competition between him and McCoy or go all out for an A level option. I don't think Peyton will be in play there. Flynn maybe. Griffin or Joe Webb makes the most sense(and I think Webb is seriously underrated). If they go the Griffin or Flynn route, i could see Shanny in on McCoy.

I am in Shally's camp in that I don't think Tannenhill would be there at No. 22. He may not be worth any higher, but QBs go higher nowadays. With Barkley not coming out this year, Tannenhill's fortunes took a steep rise, foot injury notwithstanding.

If you think Cleveland can get RG for what you set forth, I think the Skins should outbid that and get RG themselves.

Incidentally, in another thread, you listed several options to address the Skins QB problem. Did you ever consider the possibility of the Rams drafting RG and then making Bradford available for trade. While I am not a big Bradford fan, I am guessing Shanahan would jump at that.

[HanburgerBum]

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Originally Posted by NCskinsfanatic

let's put it this way.. if Tannehill turns out to be THE guy we have needed for 2 decades, then the 6th pick is cheap to solve this problem

doinking around and trading back just to get another position player is beyond foolish.. too much risk that some other team sees through this ruse and steals Shanahan's lunch money.. then where are we, besides playing next year for the rights to draft Barkely ??

we either have to sell the farm to move up and get RGIII (still my favorite option) or decide whether or not Tannehill or anyone else is worthy of being the starter for us.. if NO ONE is, and we cant move up, then dont force the pick, but trade back as many times as we can and build the lines, add skilled players, sign someone like Orton and plan to sell the farm and the farm house and the mineral rights to go after NEXT DRAFT's best qb

I say let's sell the farm this time for RG. Of course, there are risks--he could turn out to be another Ryan Leaf. But, there are risks no matter which moves a team makes. Everything about RG seems to indicate that he is similar to Luck--an once-in-a-generation type of prospect.

[Hrabanmaur]

I assume most of you saw this, but I thought it was interesting given the discussion here about Tannehill's projected spot and whether the Browns will stick with McCoy. IF we take the report at face value, then the Skins will likely need to take Tannehill at our 6 pick if we want him, given that the Browns will consider him at their 4. Also, the fact that the Browns are looking at 2 QBs out of their 5 possible choices suggests that McCoy's future with the franchise is grim.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...e-first-round/

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by Hrabanmaur

I assume most of you saw this, but I thought it was interesting given the discussion here about Tannehill's projected spot and whether the Browns will stick with McCoy. IF we take the report at face value, then the Skins will likely need to take Tannehill at our 6 pick if we want him, given that the Browns will consider him at their 4. Also, the fact that the Browns are looking at 2 QBs out of their 5 possible choices suggests that McCoy's future with the franchise is grim.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...e-first-round/

I can dig up the tweets if need be, but the Browns' beat writers all think that they're going hard after Rg3 now.

[culpeper]

Originally Posted by Hrabanmaur

I assume most of you saw this, but I thought it was interesting given the discussion here about Tannehill's projected spot and whether the Browns will stick with McCoy. IF we take the report at face value, then the Skins will likely need to take Tannehill at our 6 pick if we want him, given that the Browns will consider him at their 4. Also, the fact that the Browns are looking at 2 QBs out of their 5 possible choices suggests that McCoy's future with the franchise is grim.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...e-first-round/

This is an assumption at best by PFT. They have no sources, no insight, just assumptions. Slow news week before the combine

Originally Posted by Akhhorus

I can dig up the tweets if need be, but the Browns' beat writers all think that they're going hard after Rg3 now.

If you have a chance/time Id love to go through those. Ive been spending a lot of time on Browns forums and I think if we're hearing a lot about it right now, its a smoke screen going into the combine. NOTHING out of DC for example.

I think they want Blackmon, TR, MC, and they'll target some of these DE's with the 22nd.

Originally Posted by Akhhorus

No, Colt was terrible last season. 2700 yards 14/11 td/ints 11 fumbles(2 lost) and 32 sacks taken. You can't build around him.

Yeah, in a new offense with bum team. Colt showed some flashes the last two years and there are a lot of fans (Id say over 70%) that want to build around him and pass on RG3. Not that the FO will oblige, but the fans usually offer a window into what the team SHOULD do. We hung with JC for a year too long the same way. You've got a guy who is talented, and you keep forcing the issue hoping he becomes what you envisioned.

Originally Posted by Akhhorus

I watch a lot of college ball

Haha! Yeah no kidding...

[dj_stouty]

Originally Posted by culpeper

Colt showed some flashes the last two years and there are a lot of fans (Id say over 70%) that want to build around him and pass on RG3.

I find it hard to believe that the vast majority of the Browns fanbase would want to stick with the status quo at QB, when they squeeked out 4 wins last year...and only have 2 divisional wins in the last 3 seasons. This is a perennially bad team that needs some excitement for their fans. I would have guessed that the fanbase would be the ones overwhelmingly in favor of RG3, and not the front office.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Originally Posted by dj_stouty

I find it hard to believe that the vast majority of the Browns fanbase would want to stick with the status quo at QB, when they squeeked out 4 wins last year...and only have 2 divisional wins in the last 3 seasons. This is a perennially bad team that needs some excitement for their fans. I would have guessed that the fanbase would be the ones overwhelmingly in favor of RG3, and not the front office.

I think Regardless RGIII will be a Brown so we better figure out what plan B is.

[culpeper]

Originally Posted by dj_stouty

I find it hard to believe that the vast majority of the Browns fanbase would want to stick with the status quo at QB, when they squeeked out 4 wins last year...and only have 2 divisional wins in the last 3 seasons. This is a perennially bad team that needs some excitement for their fans. I would have guessed that the fanbase would be the ones overwhelmingly in favor of RG3, and not the front office.

Im on the Browns boards 1-2x per week reading. Go for yourself and you'll see:

http://thebrownsboard.com/

http://dawgbones.com/

Their contributors mock draft :http://dawgbones.com/?p=348 *its not RGIII

And a poll run for who they want to draft with #4: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/ind...howtopic=21639 *its not RGIII...he's not even second on the list. You'll see in the comments that they want to give Colt a chance...

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

Originally Posted by NCskinsfanatic

I think Regardless RGIII will be a Brown so we better figure out what plan B is.

I Think you are right man. I Just hope plan B s logical and has been planned on.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by culpeper

If you have a chance/time Id love to go through those. Ive been spending a lot of time on Browns forums and I think if we're hearing a lot about it right now, its a smoke screen going into the combine. NOTHING out of DC for example.

I'll see if I can find them.

Originally Posted by culpeper

I think they want Blackmon, TR, MC, and they'll target some of these DE's with the 22nd.

Doubtful, not with their WR issues and Sheard in place.

Originally Posted by culpeper

Yeah, in a new offense with bum team. Colt showed some flashes the last two years and there are a lot of fans (Id say over 70%) that want to build around him and pass on RG3. Not that the FO will oblige, but the fans usually offer a window into what the team SHOULD do. We hung with JC for a year too long the same way. You've got a guy who is talented, and you keep forcing the issue hoping he becomes what you envisioned.

Colt McCoy looks like Beck statistically. I don't know why any coaching staff would think he's the future. Odd stat: his QB rating in 2010 was 74.6, his Qb rating in 2011: 74.5 lol. If they have a shot at RG3, I think that they're going to take it.

[culpeper]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

I'll see if I can find them.

Cool, thanks. As you can see, I spend too much time on the Browns boards so I need a little "cross-referencing" lol

Doubtful, not with their WR issues and Sheard in place.

They have WR issues so they dont want Blackmon?

Colt McCoy looks like Beck statistically. I don't know why any coaching staff would think he's the future. Odd stat: his QB rating in 2010 was 74.6, his Qb rating in 2011: 74.5 lol. If they have a shot at RG3, I think that they're going to take it.

Im going to get FRIED for saying this. I still like Beck. I still think he can play. I like him WAY better than Grossman. I think the whole team quit when he got in because they all wanted Rex, and we had a LOT of new injuries we were trying to cover up for.

To be clear, I DO NOT think he should be here next year, the locker room has spoken. But I like him and I think if he got some confidence from just one game, he could be a solid (average to better than average) QB in this league. Rex is bottom of the barrel.

So you comparing Colt to Beck doesnt make me bat an eye. There ARE some similarities there even past the numbers. Im just wondering about Colts relationship with the guys in the locker room. After that concussion against the Steelers he didnt handle the whole situation well. If thats a non-issue, I think Cleveland brings him back to show improvement and help him by building the rest of the team.

This Cleveland team was in some tough/tight games the past 2 years, and Colt was one of the reasons they were in those games. Hillis was a distraction for the team, the system was changed over, all new staff, and thats what you get.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by HanburgerBum

Incidentally, in another thread, you listed several options to address the Skins QB problem. Did you ever consider the possibility of the Rams drafting RG and then making Bradford available for trade. While I am not a big Bradford fan, I am guessing Shanahan would jump at that.

There is no possible way Bradford gets dealt.

Originally Posted by culpeper

They have WR issues so they dont want Blackmon?

I don't think that they'll take Blackmon at 4 unless they literally have no other options.

Originally Posted by culpeper

Im going to get FRIED for saying this. I still like Beck. I still think he can play

Hear that crash and then falling off the cliff? Its your credibility lmao.

[culpeper]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

I don't think that they'll take Blackmon at 4 unless they literally have no other options.

So, hypothetically, who do they covet when RG3 is off the board at 2?

Hear that crash and then falling off the cliff? Its your credibility lmao.

LMAO!!! Yeah, I saw that coming. Its what I truly think though. We've all been wrong before.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by culpeper

So, hypothetically, who do they covet when RG3 is off the board at 2?

I think it could be a wild card like Jon Martin or DeCastro if they can't move up. Blackmon would still be in play, but I don't think its a lock.

Originally Posted by culpeper

LMAO!!! Yeah, I saw that coming. Its what I truly think though. We've all been wrong before.

Beck certainly doesn't lack for confidence and has a decent arm, I'll give him that. But he's 30 and still doesn't know how to play QB. He doesn't know how to lead a WR or look off a defender.