Skins and (Cowgirls) To Lose Millions In Cap Space??

[bergiemoore]

Originally Posted by justinskins

Maybe, but it's not clear the union would be cowed as easily now that this is all out in the open.

Florio speculated that there may be a reckoning for DeMaurice Smith over this, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

In the short term, the Skins are screwed, and will continue to be screwed, owing to the timing of this action.

[lorimike]

Originally Posted by bergiemoore

Florio speculated that there may be a reckoning for DeMaurice Smith over this, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

In the short term, the Skins are screwed, and will continue to be screwed, owing to the timing of this action.

Lets have a little levity with this situation. We are not that screwed. We still have cap space to work with, we still addressed the receiver position, and maybe, just maybe we were saved from ourselves by this. Guys like Vincent Jackson and Carl Nicks will likely be cap casualties in 3 years. This years free agent crop wasn't that good to begin with. And after next year we'll have more cap room to work with because we were limited in what we could spend this year and next year. It's not the end of the world.

[HAWGZHEAD]

Wonder if this move would still have been made if it was gonna put us in negative cap space

[hockeygoalie29]

Originally Posted by Keino

So it looks like we're screwed, because 28 teams stand to benefit if this were put to a vote.

My first thought too, but then again, do the owners really want to give Goodell the power to arbitrarily re-assign cap numbers as he sees fit? You'd think they'd be smart enough to see the rabbit hole they'd be opening up. Sure, it'd benefit them this time, but what if it's their team that gets docked next year?

Also, I can't see the players voting for something that takes cap space away from the two teams most known for spending money and redistributing it to teams that are known to hoard cap space.

[Emmanouel8]

Originally Posted by bergiemoore

Florio speculated that there may be a reckoning for DeMaurice Smith over this, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

In the short term, the Skins are screwed, and will continue to be screwed, owing to the timing of this action.

If I were a player I wouldn't want Smith in charge. He just screwed over the 2 clubs that have consistently paid up to players, and let chronic cheapskates off the hook at the same time.

[Emmanouel8]

Originally Posted by hockeygoalie29

My first thought too, but then again, do the owners really want to give Goodell the power to arbitrarily re-assign cap numbers as he sees fit? You'd think they'd be smart enough to see the rabbit hole they'd be opening up. Sure, it'd benefit them this time, but what if it's their team that gets docked next year?

Also, I can't see the players voting for something that takes cap space away from the two teams most known for spending money and redistributing it to teams that are known to hoard cap space.

The owners will never give up that kind of power, if they ever did the smart franchises will put themselves up for sale.

[bergiemoore]

Originally Posted by lorimike

Lets have a little levity with this situation. We are not that screwed. We still have cap space to work with, we still addressed the receiver position, and maybe, just maybe we were saved from ourselves by this. Guys like Vincent Jackson and Carl Nicks will likely be cap casualties in 3 years. This years free agent crop wasn't that good to begin with. And after next year we'll have more cap room to work with because we were limited in what we could spend this year and next year. It's not the end of the world.

I don't think that the Skins would have gone all in for VJax or Nicks in the way that the Bucs have been. And it's possible that this decision gets overturned in the near run. But this certainly has forced them to be extremely creative with their contracts, as exampled by Josh Morgan deal. I do think it also made them act quicker on releasing other players like Atogwe and Sellers.

[Keino]

Originally Posted by hockeygoalie29

My first thought too, but then again, do the owners really want to give Goodell the power to arbitrarily re-assign cap numbers as he sees fit? You'd think they'd be smart enough to see the rabbit hole they'd be opening up. Sure, it'd benefit them this time, but what if it's their team that gets docked next year?

Also, I can't see the players voting for something that takes cap space away from the two teams most known for spending money and redistributing it to teams that are known to hoard cap space.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out. I can see the teams viewing this as an isolated, vacuum type thing made possible by the uncapped year. I can also see the players looking at the prospects of the cap going down for every team and joining in, even though the "sanction" gives cap room to teams that won't consider using it.

[bergiemoore]

Originally Posted by Emmanouel8

If I were a player I wouldn't want Smith in charge. He just screwed over the 2 clubs that have consistently paid up to players, and let chronic cheapskates off the hook at the same time.

To be fair to Smith, he screwed over 2 clubs that consistently pay in order to keep the salary cap from dropping below 2011's cap. The league was threatening to lower the cap to 118 mil, costing the players around 83 mil this season in salaries. Don't ask me how taking 46 mil from the Skins and Cowboys make up for 83 mil, but that's apparently what happened.

[bergiemoore]

Originally Posted by Keino

It will be interesting to see how it plays out. I can see the teams viewing this as an isolated, vacuum type thing made possible by the uncapped year. I can also see the players looking at the prospects of the cap going down for every team and joining in, even though the "sanction" gives cap room to teams that won't consider using it.

This could also be seen as evidence of collusion the next time the players sue the NFL for anti-tust violations.

[Emmanouel8]

Originally Posted by bergiemoore

To be fair to Smith, he screwed over 2 clubs that consistently pay in order to keep the salary cap from dropping below 2011's cap. The league was threatening to lower the cap to 118 mil, costing the players around 83 mil this season in salaries. Don't ask me how taking 46 mil from the Skins and Cowboys make up for 83 mil, but that's apparently what happened.

That's being a little short-sighted IMHO. Also there's a difference between a cap and what's actually being spent. My guess is when the skins/boys are in the mix more money is being put into the pool, which is where i'd focus my attention longterm.-

[bergiemoore]

Originally Posted by Emmanouel8

That's being a little short-sighted IMHO. Also there's a difference between a cap and what's actually being spent. My guess is when the skins/boys are in the mix more money is being put into the pool, which is where i'd focus my attention longterm.-

I agree with you, but that's the barrel the Executive Committee bent him over.

I'm very interested in seeing what comes out of any potential lawsuits/arbitration. I also think this muddies the waters for any future dealings concerning the profit sharing, etc., where the owners must come to agreement between themselves.

[Red Bear]

Originally Posted by HAWGZHEAD

Wonder if this move would still have been made if it was gonna put us in negative cap space

it put the cowboys in negative cap space, they cut newman to get back under

Originally Posted by hockeygoalie29

My first thought too, but then again, do the owners really want to give Goodell the power to arbitrarily re-assign cap numbers as he sees fit? You'd think they'd be smart enough to see the rabbit hole they'd be opening up. Sure, it'd benefit them this time, but what if it's their team that gets docked next year?

Also, I can't see the players voting for something that takes cap space away from the two teams most known for spending money and redistributing it to teams that are known to hoard cap space.

1. Goodell had to get union approval to do it. Of course now its in the CBA he may not depending on the terms of the deal.

2. An excellent point that i alluded to earlier myself, well maybe not exactly but i said something similar

[Skinzmanforlife]

Originally Posted by Emmanouel8

The owners will never give up that kind of power, if they ever did the smart franchises will put themselves up for sale.

The owners never gave up that power. The 30 other owners wanted this due to the cowgirls and skins spending habits. The problem I have is that I personally dont believe Roger Goodell or any of the other owners think these sanctions will hold up. There is a reason why this was announced 24 hours prior to free agency beginning instead of a month ago. To slow the spending this year so neither of them get Mario Williams or one of other prized free agents.

Lets face it, for this to hold up, 30 owners, 1 commissioner, and an entire sports league have to admit to collusion against the players. And then the leader of the players union has to admit that he cares more for the cheapskate style owners than he does for the players he is supposed to represent.

If all of this is upheld, I will be shocked beyond belief.

[colkurtz]

What a surprise. The NFL hates Dan Snyder even more than Dan's friend and mentor Jerry Jones. Money can't buy you friends.