Skins and (Cowgirls) To Lose Millions In Cap Space??

[hogs86]

Cowboys, Redskins exploring all options

The Cowboys and Redskins are faced with the combined loss of $46 million in salary cap space over the next two years for treating the term “uncapped year” too literally two years ago. And their fans want to know if the teams will be fighting the NFL on this point.

The answer is, “Maybe.”

A source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT that the Cowboys and Redskins are exploring all options for challenging the decision.

That means a lawsuit could be coming. But while the late Al Davis wouldn’t have blinked before loading the legal cannon, Redskins owner Dan Snyder and Cowboys owner Jerry Jones could be influenced by consideration of the big picture.

Suing over what essentially was a refusal to engage in collusion would confirm that the NFL was indeed engaged in collusion in the months preceding the 2011 lockout. The idea was, apparently, to keep more money in the pockets of the owners and out of the pockets of the players, in advance of the possibility of a full season without football. Arguing that the NFL has now punished the Redskins and Cowboys for breaking ranks necessarily would expose that strategy.

This comes from PFT

Link http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...g-all-options/

[RedskinsDave]

Start the legal path and pursue it until the league backs down and removes or reduces the "penalty". Letting Goodell get away with this will set a horrible precedent.

[culpeper]

Originally Posted by RedskinsDave

Start the legal path and pursue it until the league backs down and removes or reduces the "penalty". Letting Goodell get away with this will set a horrible precedent.

THIS. The NFL will cave...

[Red Bear]

Originally Posted by RedskinsDave

Start the legal path and pursue it until the league backs down and removes or reduces the "penalty". Letting Goodell get away with this will set a horrible precedent.

to be honest, and maybe even this doesnt make sense as im not sure on how everything works. i wouldnt start anything against the NFL until after we draft RG3. if for some reason theres a quick ruling that the nfl was wrong or had no power to take our cap space, then the NFL could come back and say "well, we will just take their draft picks instead". imaging the backlash that would cause

[hail2skins]

Originally Posted by Red Bear

to be honest, and maybe even this doesnt make sense as im not sure on how everything works. i wouldnt start anything against the NFL until after we draft RG3. if for some reason theres a quick ruling that the nfl was wrong or had no power to take our cap space, then the NFL could come back and say "well, we will just take their draft picks instead". imaging the backlash that would cause

If the ruling was that the NFL is wrong and they couldn't take cap space, why do you think they can take draft picks instead?

[Emmanouel8]

Originally Posted by hail2skins

If the ruling was that the NFL is wrong and they couldn't take cap space, why do you think they can take draft picks instead?

If they did take those draft picks Snyder would already have is suits on this matter. No one is taking his prize bull without a fight. Regardless, The Redskins and Cowboys have to weigh their options and craft their approach carefully to get out of this with out doing damage to the whole league.

In actuality it was really stupid of the league to pull this stunt off in the first place, without showing equity across the board. Had they included all teams that participated in this and the ones circumventing the floor they could've pulled it off.

They put faith on Snyder/Jones not jeapordizing the big picture, but those 2 were probably the wrong guys to mess with.

[RedskinsDave]

Originally Posted by Emmanouel8

If they did take those draft picks Snyder would already have is suits on this matter. No one is taking his prize bull without a fight. Regardless, The Redskins and Cowboys have to weigh their options and craft their approach carefully to get out of this with out doing damage to the whole league.

In actuality it was really stupid of the league to pull this stunt off in the first place, without showing equity across the board. Had they included all teams that participated in this and the ones circumventing the floor they could've pulled it off.

They put faith on Snyder/Jones not jeapordizing the big picture, but those 2 were probably the wrong guys to mess with.

You're grossly underestimating the arrogance of Goodell.

[justinskins]

Originally Posted by hail2skins

If the ruling was that the NFL is wrong and they couldn't take cap space, why do you think they can take draft picks instead?

Goodell has greater authority to take away draft picks than to mess with the cap.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by justinskins

Goodell has greater authority to take away draft picks than to mess with the cap.

This might be why the skins are hesitating on challenging it. The league took away a 3rd from the Steelers for a 400k non-performance bonus on a player who subsequently retired a year after signing the contract. Might be better to swallow the lost cap money then swallowing lost picks for awhile.

[shally]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

This might be why the skins are hesitating on challenging it. The league took away a 3rd from the Steelers for a 400k non-performance bonus on a player who subsequently retired a year after signing the contract. Might be better to swallow the lost cap money then swallowing lost picks for awhile.

i think the league has a lot more to lose, if it is found in collusion to hold down spending

[justinskins]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

This might be why the skins are hesitating on challenging it. The league took away a 3rd from the Steelers for a 400k non-performance bonus on a player who subsequently retired a year after signing the contract. Might be better to swallow the lost cap money then swallowing lost picks for awhile.

It is certainly a gamble. A few things work in our favor. First, Goodell was unwilling to take away draft picks in the first place, despite prodding from some owners to do so. Second, the negative press from both PFT and more legitimate media outlets may make it more difficult to justify an arguably harsher punishment. Third, if the Redskins take on this decision and win, justifying the move gets even harder.

However, those considerations only affect what Goodell is likely to do, not what he can do. If he is intent on punishing us, he might not care how the move looks. And Goodell is a brazen man...

[RedskinsDave]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

This might be why the skins are hesitating on challenging it. The league took away a 3rd from the Steelers for a 400k non-performance bonus on a player who subsequently retired a year after signing the contract. Might be better to swallow the lost cap money then swallowing lost picks for awhile.

There's a big difference between punishing a team for a violation and punishing a team because you feel like it. The latter is what's happening here.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by shally

i think the league has a lot more to lose, if it is found in collusion to hold down spending

I still don't see how this would even be on the table. Neither the skins nor the Cowboys were handing out wild amounts of new contracts that year. The skins spent a total of 33 million in combined contracts from new free agents(+McNabb's 15 mil) but they also cut a ton of salary that year. The skins ate a ton of dead cap that year(almost 40 million roughly), which would tend to contradict any "we're being punished for trying to keep salaries high" meme.

[Farmer Ted]

Originally Posted by Emmanouel8

In actuality it was really stupid of the league to pull this stunt off in the first place, without showing equity across the board. Had they included all teams that participated in this and the ones circumventing the floor they could've pulled it off.

I don' think the cheapass owners of the league would have gone along with punishing all of the violators. As it is, they've pulled a good prank on their two most hated owners (mostly Snyder), and it's costing each owner about $1.5 million, which isn't so bad. But, let's say that a broad net caught a total of 20 teams working the system in 2010 for a total of $60 million. Then, the 12 remaining tightwads would have to kick in $5 million apiece for what amounts to a practical joke amonst billionaire douchelords. Suddenly, the joke isn't so funny.

[Death_Venom]

Although I think the NFL screwed the pooch on this one I do not see a quick resolution to this anytime soon. At best it will be resolved possibly mid-season-and should the Redskins & Cowboys win this the cap (possibly extra) will be granted us next season.