Redskins, Cowboys File Arbitration Suit (update page 16, post 237.)

WinnpegSkinsFan · #1 03-25-2012, 12:55 PM

Skins & Boys filing a grievance. This is getting interesting.
http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/25/cowb..._breaking_news

Sean T RIP · #2 03-25-2012, 01:01 PM

go get em danny boy

OCSKINSFAN · #3 03-25-2012, 01:14 PM

Need to get a compromise which helps this year, eg., Fletcher, etc.

VegasSkinsFan · #4 03-25-2012, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by OCSKINSFAN

Need to get a compromise which helps this year, eg., Fletcher, etc.

Since we lost $18M this year, and $18M next year...i would settle for getting back next years full $18M, and for this year just give us half our money back and an extra pick at the end of the 1st round. Not likely to happen, but it would be a nice compromise considering the free agents that this potentially caused us to miss. GO SKINS !!!!

warpaint · #5 03-25-2012, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by VegasSkinsFan

Since we lost $18M this year, and $18M next year...i would settle for getting back next years full $18M, and for this year just give us half our money back and an extra pick at the end of the 1st round. Not likely to happen, but it would be a nice compromise considering the free agents that this potentially caused us to miss. GO SKINS !!!!

at least give us the picks they took from new orleans.

VegasSkinsFan · #6 03-25-2012, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by warpaint

at least give us the picks they took from new orleans.

Even a 3rd and 4th....we honestly probably lost out on 2 players that could have filled a big need for us. Again, not likely to happen.

GeneralDisorder · #7 03-25-2012, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by VegasSkinsFan

Since we lost $18M this year, and $18M next year...i would settle for getting back next years full $18M, and for this year just give us half our money back and an extra pick at the end of the 1st round. Not likely to happen, but it would be a nice compromise considering the free agents that this potentially caused us to miss. GO SKINS !!!!

Looking at our recent history in free agency, the NFL probably did us a favour...

Farmer Ted · #8 03-25-2012, 01:55 PM

This could turn out to be a huge screw-up for the owners if the arbitrator finds in favor of the boys/skins (which seems likely). First, in order to get the PA to go along with their little prank on the Snyder and Jones, Wellington Mara and his team of d-bags agreed to give the players a higher cap than apparently the CBA required, by $150 million or so. Then, they penalized the Skins and Boys $46 million, and upped the salary caps of 28 of the 32 teams. Presumably, some of those teams will have started spending their extra $1.6 million by the time any ruling comes out. So, what's going to happen if the arbitrator tells Wellington to shove it up his crusty old arse, and now the Skins and Boys get to re-coup their lost $46 million in cap space? That will mean that the players end up getting and extra $200 million or so bucks out of the owners on a failed practical joke. Nice way to think this through, Wellington. Let me guess, you had nothing to do with your own wealth. You just inherited from your rich grand-daddy. Suck it, d-bag.

hail2skins · #9 03-25-2012, 01:58 PM

I closed the other thread and started another since the original was getting long and I figure this discussion would get going again. I copied the last page of posts from the original to this thread.

Link to original thread
http://www.hailredskins.com/vbforum/...ad.php?t=54038

hail2skins · #10 03-25-2012, 03:16 PM

Sorry folks

hockeygoalie29 · #11 03-25-2012, 05:39 PM

Per PFT:

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It’s currently believed that the grievance focuses on procedural defects, such as the failure to put the measure to a vote of league ownership or NFLPA leadership, without articulating the hot-button underlying argument that the Cowboys and Redskins are being punished for refusing to engage in illegal collusion in the year before the lockout began.

The grievance will be processed pursuant to the CBA, with a neutral arbitrator resolving the case.

The fact that the Cowboys and Redskins included the union in the grievance triggered the procedure that allows the teams to avoid a situation in which Commissioner Goodell resolves the matter. Instead, a true outsider will determine whether the action complied with the terms and/or the spirit of the labor deal.

To the extent that the Cowboys and Redskins plan to allege that they were punished for refusing to collude, that’s an argument that possibly could be raised later, via a federal lawsuit.

Very interesting...so at the moment they are only challenging the fact that the addendum to the CBA was not properly voted on by the players or the owners and are holding back the nuclear option of suing the league on charges of collusion until after the arbitration is complete. Gives them a couple swings just in case the arbitration goes south.

Very smart to get this in front of a neutral arbitrator as well. This could be the quickest arbitration in history...the league didn't follow the correct protocol for changing the CBA therefore the changes are null and void. Case closed.

Emmanouel8 · #12 03-25-2012, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by hockeygoalie29

Per PFT:

Very smart to get this in front of a neutral arbitrator as well. This could be the quickest arbitration in history...the league didn't follow the correct protocol for changing the CBA therefore the changes are null and void. Case closed.

Smart and revealing. Snyder and Jones pretty much think Goodell is a puppet for other people's interests and is not an objective arbitrator. I can't recall how a commissioner is "re-elected" but I think when Goodell's time comes it will be a very polarizing situation among the owners. Personally I don't like him.

GloryHog · #13 03-25-2012, 06:13 PM

Dan Graziano ESPN- I'm not sure Mara should be talking.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/po...uld-be-talking

SkinsFan70 · #14 03-25-2012, 09:06 PM

Nice find Glory.

First time in a long while that the media is actually on our side.

I am also impressed with how the entire mgmt. team has been holding their tongue on this.

Something tells me the league is in for some additional legal matters, once we get some of our cap back.

And...for a team that just won a Super Bowl, you gotta wonder why their owner is pushing this thing so hard.

I feel a backfire coming soon....and maybe more to follow.

Again, thanks for the link Glory....made my night.

cal_junior · #15 03-25-2012, 09:30 PM

Strong stuff, this:

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Mara is wrong because the only thing of which the Redskins and Cowboys are guilty is failing to honor a shady gentleman's agreement between 32 billionaires who don't want to pay their employees any more than they have to. What the NFL, Mara and the other owners did, effectively imposing a salary cap when none had been agreed to by the other party (i.e., the players) in their collective bargaining agreement, was patently wrong. To punish the teams that didn't go along with the wrong, and to so strenuously defend the punishment as though it were right, is the height of arrogance.