Rd 3 on...BPA?

[culpeper]

With the three signings this week (RT, FS, CB) are we now in a position to draft best player available?

Ive always felt like picking BPA with complete disregard for team needs is a bad idea. Also, with some of these signings (and Fletch still out there) there may be a few surprising cuts (or restructures) in the near future. So IMO you never JUST draft BPA, but the positions to target in the draft are more blurry than they were a week ago.

Thoughts?

[akhhorus]

Shanny's been a BPA drafter throughout his time in DC, i don't think that any signings will change that.

[Moe]

Originally Posted by culpeper

With the three signings this week (RT, FS, CB) are we now in a position to draft best player available?

Ive always felt like picking BPA with complete disregard for team needs is a bad idea. Also, with some of these signings (and Fletch still out there) there may be a few surprising cuts (or restructures) in the near future. So IMO you never JUST draft BPA, but the positions to target in the draft are more blurry than they were a week ago.

Thoughts?

Taking the best player available is typically something solid rosters can best support and I think we all agree that the Skins need more focus. IMO they need to take the BPA at their biggest spot(s) of need.

[AustinSkin]

Originally Posted by Moe

Taking the best player available is typically something solid rosters can best support and I think we all agree that the Skins need more focus. IMO they need to take the BPA at their biggest spot(s) of need.

Using this logic, I would use our 7 draft choices to pick

3 Offensive Linemen - BPA
2 Linebackers (ILB) - BPA
2 Overall BPAS (WR, TE, DL, QB)

[shally]

Originally Posted by culpeper

With the three signings this week (RT, FS, CB) are we now in a position to draft best player available?

Ive always felt like picking BPA with complete disregard for team needs is a bad idea. Also, with some of these signings (and Fletch still out there) there may be a few surprising cuts (or restructures) in the near future. So IMO you never JUST draft BPA, but the positions to target in the draft are more blurry than they were a week ago.

Thoughts?

this is a deep draft for OT's and CB's.. that meshes nicely with our needs.. i expect to see the 3/4/4 used for that

but, if Shanahan runs true to form at least one of those picks will be used for a skilled player on offense.. a guy like Rainey comes to mind.. maybe a true power back ? or another receiver ?

we could use another TE to develop as well. not sure what Cooley has left or whether DAvis is a long term player for us..

[culpeper]

Originally Posted by AustinSkin

Using this logic, I would use our 7 draft choices to pick

3 Offensive Linemen - BPA
2 Linebackers (ILB) - BPA
2 Overall BPAS (WR, TE, DL, QB)

Take out WR/TE and replace with SS/FS

Originally Posted by Moe

Taking the best player available is typically something solid rosters can best support and I think we all agree that the Skins need more focus. IMO they need to take the BPA at their biggest spot(s) of need.

Yeah I still think we should focus on OL, NT, FS/SS exclusively (provided Fletch is resigned). We can save ILB for next year. Fox, Riley, LoA are solid with Fletch added.

Originally Posted by akhhorus

Shanny's been a BPA drafter throughout his time in DC, i don't think that any signings will change that.

I know what you mean, but I think that was because we had so many holes. This team is almost unrecognizable right now (LOVE IT) and just going by roster spots, theres not many holes left to fill. We've got a lot of good competition going on and its getting to the point where we may take BPA due to LACK of needs.

[culpeper]

Originally Posted by shally

this is a deep draft for OT's and CB's.. that meshes nicely with our needs.. i expect to see the 3/4/4 used for that

but, if Shanahan runs true to form at least one of those picks will be used for a skilled player on offense.. a guy like Rainey comes to mind.. maybe a true power back ? or another receiver ?

we could use another TE to develop as well. not sure what Cooley has left or whether DAvis is a long term player for us..

If we pick a CB, Hall is for sure gone.

Those three picks could be HUGE if we hit on them. Hankerson (3), Helu(4), Riley(4) for comparison.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by culpeper

I know what you mean, but I think that was because we had so many holes. This team is almost unrecognizable right now (LOVE IT) and just going by roster spots, theres not many holes left to fill. We've got a lot of good competition going on and its getting to the point where we may take BPA due to LACK of needs.

Lack of needs? Really? They still need 2-3 Olinemen, a real NT, an ILB(with or without Fletcher) and a strong Safety(also a CB and a FS). And thats assuming Brown/Williams will be playing 16 games in 2012.

[flave1969]

I replied to Rich Tandler on this subject, here is our exchange.

flave1969 ‏ @flave1969
@Rich_Tandler The Interior Line is weak at best, they must focus on that area with a mid round pick. Line has been ignored too long.

Rich Tandler ‏ @Rich_Tandler Close
@flave1969 What if an interior lineman is the 12th-best player on your board when the pick comes up? Line remains week, no better elsewhere.

flave1969 ‏ @flave1969
@Rich_Tandler so if the top 3 players on the board when it is pick time are all WR, we should pick them?

Rich Tandler ‏ @Rich_Tandler
@flave1969 You can slide down a slot or two. But reaching for position, esp from 3rd round on best way to kill your draft. Just ask Vinny.

The second reply was a non answer. What if BPA on our board at #70 is a QB, are we going to draft him? If we were a stronger squad I would agree with him to a degree, but loading up on positions in both FA and in the draft has proven foolish under Shanahan, and the results thus far are no better than Vinny.

[culpeper]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

Lack of needs? Really? They still need 2-3 Olinemen, a real NT, an ILB(with or without Fletcher) and a strong Safety(also a CB and a FS). And thats assuming Brown/Williams will be playing 16 games in 2012.

Re-read what I wrote, I meant "by the numbers". I fully acknowledge the lack of talent at said positions and need for improvement, but we dont know what the FO is thinking. They COULD like a position that we feel needs improvement and either not address it or just go BPA.

[culpeper]

Originally Posted by flave1969

I replied to Rich Tandler on this subject, here is our exchange.

The second reply was a non answer. What if BPA on our board at #70 is a QB, are we going to draft him? If we were a stronger squad I would agree with him to a degree, but loading up on positions in both FA and in the draft has proven foolish under Shanahan, and the results thus far are no better than Vinny.

Great point and I would love to see the Skins continue some of what they did last year, moving back a few spots, still getting their guy and picking up more picks. Definite possibility in these mid rounds and we dont have to reach for a G/C.

[CNYSkinFan]

BPA only works if you dont have major holes. People point to BPA practices of playoff contenders and draw the wrong conclusions. They have the luxury of doing so because they have a roster with little glaring holes to begin with.

For teams on the rebuild A BPA approach weighted toward areas of intense need should be taken. If an incredible talent drops to 3rd round it would have to outweigh the desperate need we have on the OL.

We need to restock the OL if only for depth. A draft dedicated to it will give us the best chance of doing so. No other need is as great right now IMO

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by culpeper

Re-read what I wrote, I meant "by the numbers". I fully acknowledge the lack of talent at said positions and need for improvement, but we dont know what the FO is thinking. They COULD like a position that we feel needs improvement and either not address it or just go BPA.

Their draft history clearly suggests BPA across the board

[culpeper]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

Their draft history clearly suggests BPA across the board

Originally Posted by CNYSkinFan

BPA only works if you dont have major holes. People point to BPA practices of playoff contenders and draw the wrong conclusions. They have the luxury of doing so because they have a roster with little glaring holes to begin with.

For teams on the rebuild A BPA approach weighted toward areas of intense need should be taken. If an incredible talent drops to 3rd round it would have to outweigh the desperate need we have on the OL.

We need to restock the OL if only for depth. A draft dedicated to it will give us the best chance of doing so. No other need is as great right now IMO

See this is why Im asking the question. The answers/opinions are all over the place.

IMO the only time BPA works is when you're a deep, talented team with no clear needs (Packers after their superbowl for instance). ANY other time, you may be using your board as a guide (BPA), but you need to pick those guys at NEED positions.

I dont think the Redskins have been choosing BPA like Vinny used to claim he did ("we stuck to the board"), choosing positions we're deep at (Fred Davis pick) when there are clearly other bigger needs.

So the question is/was, are we at that point "by the numbers" having filled so many roster spots through FA? I dont believe so, but it still is worth discussing.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by culpeper

I dont think the Redskins have been choosing BPA like Vinny used to claim he did ("we stuck to the board"), choosing positions we're deep at (Fred Davis pick) when there are clearly other bigger needs.

I disagree. Outside of the Trent Williams pick(which could be called both) and the impending Rg3 pick, the rest of Shanny's drafts here have been almost exclusively BPA. Here's his picks in DC, I've bolded the BPA picks(imo):
1 16 Ryan Kerrigan LB Purdue
2 41 Jarvis Jenkins DE Clemson
3 79 Leonard Hankerson WR Miami (Fla.)
4 105 Roy Helu RB Nebraska
5 146 DeJon Gomes DB Nebraska
5 155 Niles Paul WR Nebraska
6 177 Evan Royster RB Penn State
6 178 Aldrick Robinson WR Southern Methodist
7 213 Brandyn Thompson DB Boise State
7 217 Maurice Hurt G Florida
7 224 Markus White LB Florida State
7 253 Chris Neild NT West Virginia
1 4 Trent Williams T Oklahoma
4 103 Perry Riley LB LSU
6 174 Dennis Morris TE Louisiana Tech
7 219 Terrence Austin WR UCLA
7 229 Erik Cook C New Mexico
7 231 Selvish Capers T West Virginia