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Originally Posted by shally
if Paul likes the idea, I am all for it... he has a TE's mentality and is very physical.. it will be an interesting transition
again, Cooley looked very slow last year before he went on IR.. the question will be whether he recovered his speed
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Cooley wasn't fast to begin with, he is just a competitive player that understands how to play his position effectively. Last year, he was doing so, with an inflamed knee that needed constant draining, until he finally wet on IR.
I see this as a move for Paul to make the team and possibly have an impact. It's a move for the coaches to fill a slot with something they already have. That's it, plain and simple.
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04-21-2012, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by redskin_rich
Cooley wasn't fast to begin with, he is just a competitive player that understands how to play his position effectively. Last year, he was doing so, with an inflamed knee that needed constant draining, until he finally wet on IR.
I see this as a move for Paul to make the team and possibly have an impact. It's a move for the coaches to fill a slot with something they already have. That's it, plain and simple.
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I dont see it as anything towards Cooley either. He may be asked to restructure, but if we're going to play 2 TE sets, we need 4 TEs just like last year. We're only keeping one FB, so Paul/Paulsen/Cooley will probably fill that spot if needed (probably in an HB role).
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04-21-2012, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by BRAVEONAWARPATH
Chris Russell tidbits regarding Cooley & Niles Paul:
1.) Chris Cooley is in serious trouble (obviously).
2.) There is NO restructuring of his deal unless its the bare bones minimum
3.) Russell was told that the Skins have ABSOLUTELY NO CONFIDENCE in Cooley's ability to be an intermediate threat much less a down the field one.
4.) The plan is to run Chris into the ground during OTAs to see where his knee/speed is at.
5.) Niles Paul thinks the transition to TE will be easy as far as his weight goes.
Says he's naturally heavy and had to fight to stay in the 220s.
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I doubt very seriously that they are going to purposely run him in the ground. Regardless of the cap number, if healthy hes an asset to this team. Sleepy is one puff (or the wrong party) from being suspended 1 year, Paulsen is solid but limited, and Paul is a converted WR. We need Cooley.
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04-21-2012, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by silverspring
I agree. It shows lack of foresight because you don't draft a 225 pound guy to be a TE. I thought he did well last year. He certainly saw the field more than any other rookie WR. I wish we had given him a chance to actually get balls thrown at him and see what he does before we made this decision.
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Sometimes a change from the position a player was drafted to play helps everybody. I believe Shannon Sharpe was drafted to play WR. Closer to home, Darryl Grant comes to mind. And constant position changes have done wonders for Lorenzo Alexander's career. I believe that Randy White was drafted to play LB and was tried there before switching to DT. I see your point though: if they don't think that he could make it as a WR, they should have used that pick on someone else. Of course, if Paul becomes another Shannon Sharpe, I will forgive the FO its misjudgment.
I would agree with those who say that Chris Cooley's place on the team is solid, except for Russell's information. He essentially works for the team, and if he reports it, it is probably true or it is designed to light a fire under Cooley (or both). Maybe the coaches have seen the same You Tube videos of Chris eating like I do, and are trying to tell him that he needs to get with the (conditioning) program.
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04-21-2012, 07:03 PM
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This is a smart move.
Even though Paul is shorter than desired, his speed should make him a weapon as a TE. That position has changed considerably the last few years. There are precious few complete TEs left who are both good receivers and good blockers. TEs are now mostly judged by their receiving production. Further, I don't consider Davis or Cooley any big deal either as a blocker. Paul can probably block as well as these guys.
This move would probably mean the Redskins would not draft Ladarius Green, a "sleeper" TE from LA-Lafayette projected as a Redskins draftee in the 4th round by Ourlads.
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04-25-2012, 07:22 PM
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Shanny says captain kaos is feelin good.Maybe it's paul that is trying to get a spot on the team,not cooley?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...feeling-great/
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04-25-2012, 09:02 PM
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Interesting. He blocks well on the outside, I wonder how good he is inside the box though?
I find myself wondering more what this means for the rest of the TEs (and not doubting Paul)
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they used him a little a bit at TE last season. He's not the guy you want blocking on those short yardage situations and it's probably to cross or chip a linemen when he's inside. Then he'll release and probably be wide open somewhere outside the hash marks. The Skins did it a lot with Davis when Mc knabb was here.
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04-26-2012, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by hail2skins
they used him a little a bit at TE last season. He's not the guy you want blocking on those short yardage situations and it's problem to cross or chip a linemen when he's inside. Then he'll release and probably be wide open somewhere outside the hash marks.
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Yeah I like the idea. Use him for specific sets/plays to get mismatches. He'll get better at blocking. Hes big enough.
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The Skins did it a lot with Davis when Mcknabb was here.
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04-26-2012, 08:01 AM
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Here's what I don't get about this. If Cooley is back healthy then aren't we better off for it ? 3.8 million for a back up TE is a lot but we're under the cap so who cares ? It's the same nonsense I hear as a reason to cut Moss and Gaffney. They are still productive and are light years ahead of Armstrong, Austin etc. Maybe they are overpaid but why cut people still capable of producing so you can keep the cheap guy who can't catch a cold much less 40/50 balls in the NFL ?
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04-26-2012, 08:20 AM
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Here's what I don't get about this. If Cooley is back healthy then aren't we better off for it ? 3.8 million for a back up TE is a lot but we're under the cap so who cares ? It's the same nonsense I hear as a reason to cut Moss and Gaffney. They are still productive and are light years ahead of Armstrong, Austin etc. Maybe they are overpaid but why cut people still capable of producing so you can keep the cheap guy who can't catch a cold much less 40/50 balls in the NFL ?
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In the cass of Moss/Gaffney it is because they may be light years ahead of austin and armstrong now, but they are on the wrong side of 30 and we need to have young talent to groom with our young qb
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04-26-2012, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by CNYSkinFan
In the cass of Moss/Gaffney it is because they may be light years ahead of austin and armstrong now, but they are on the wrong side of 30 and we need to have young talent to groom with our young qb
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The bus stop is full of guys like Armstrong and Austin. I'd rather keep the productive Moss and Gaffney to back up the young group of Morgan, Garcon, and Hankerson.
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04-26-2012, 08:40 AM
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The bus stop is full of guys like Armstrong and Austin. I'd rather keep the productive Moss and Gaffney to back up the young group of Morgan, Garcon, and Hankerson.
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in a few short years the retirment home will be full of once greats like Moss and Gaffney. I rather take a chance at finding some young gems if they are truly going to be 4th and 5th wrs anyways
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04-26-2012, 08:49 AM
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in a few short years the retirment home will be full of once greats like Moss and Gaffney. I rather take a chance at finding some young gems if they are truly going to be 4th and 5th wrs anyways
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You can find 4th and 5th receivers fairly easily. If the money we are paying Moss and Gaffney were better used at another position then I am for it but at this point in free agency there is nothing left. We my as well keep Gaffney and Moss, as they are still productive. Armstrong and Austin ? meh, you find them in any nfl trash heap.
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04-26-2012, 08:49 AM
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in a few short years the retirment home will be full of once greats like Moss and Gaffney. I rather take a chance at finding some young gems if they are truly going to be 4th and 5th wrs anyways
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plus your 4-5th receivers usually play ST's
Armstrong does very well. Moss and Gaffney ?? i dont think they have played ST in years (other than Moss returning some punts a few years back)
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04-26-2012, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by shally
plus your 4-5th receivers usually play ST's
Armstrong does very well. Moss and Gaffney ?? i dont think they have played ST in years (other than Moss returning some punts a few years back)
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Well, that's a pretty good point you made.
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