DFA: Final 2012 mock

[akhhorus]

Link

Guff on!


Rest of the skins’ picks:
3rd: The skins trade this pick with next year’s 3rd and Santana Moss to San Fran for Michael Crabtree. The skins need a real deep strike guy to go with RG3 and Crabtree is on his way out in San Fran with the money invested into Moss/Manningham. Moss(Santana) can redo his deal there and be a real slot guy not asked to carry an passing game.
4th: Jamell Flemming CB Oklahoma. A stock 5-11 4.4 40 CB with slick cover skills. Got torched by top QB/WRs though.
4th: Nick Jean-Baptiste NT Baylor. The skins need someone to hold the point during run games.
5th: Ronnie Hillman RB SDSU. Productive but probably disappeared against good defenses. He has “RB by committee body” written all over him.
6th: James Hanna TE Oklahoma. Project, but with some major tools. Not a good blocker.
7th: Josh Leribeus OG SMU. ZBS OG project.

[Gravy]

WOW! I've gone crossed eyed...there was like 19 trades in your mock with St. Louis picking up everyone and their mother. Fun stuff! Your idea of trading with San Fran...is not at all crazy. I believe Shanny will draft a WR and RB...why not trade for one...good stuff, man.

[shally]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

Link

Guff on!


Rest of the skins’ picks:
3rd: The skins trade this pick with next year’s 3rd and Santana Moss to San Fran for Michael Crabtree. The skins need a real deep strike guy to go with RG3 and Crabtree is on his way out in San Fran with the money invested into Moss/Manningham. Moss(Santana) can redo his deal there and be a real slot guy not asked to carry an passing game.
4th: Jamell Flemming CB Oklahoma. A stock 5-11 4.4 40 CB with slick cover skills. Got torched by top QB/WRs though.
4th: Nick Jean-Baptiste NT Baylor. The skins need someone to hold the point during run games.
5th: Ronnie Hillman RB SDSU. Productive but probably disappeared against good defenses. He has “RB by committee body” written all over him.
6th: James Hanna TE Oklahoma. Project, but with some major tools. Not a good blocker.
7th: Josh Leribeus OG SMU. ZBS OG project.

none of the above..lol.. except for RGIII obviously...

Occam's razor-- we will take guys who impressed Shanahan at Senior Bowl, IF they are available when we pick

I do think we will trade down in the 3rd round unless there is a CB that Shanahan really wants when we pick

I DONT think we will take a DL at all in the draft

We will take a RB, and I could easily see Shanahan making it the 3rd rounder if he thinks there is one guy he thinks stands out.. The fact that we have made NO effort to re-sign Hightower tells me we will be drafting a RB earlier, rather than later

My guess is that we end up taking only 1 OL player because I think Shanahan actually is delusional enough to believe the O line will be fine with what we have, plus 1 more draft pick

So we end up drafting CB, S, OL, TE, RB, ILB overall, but not in that order...

[esmith1790]

with the cowboys pick it would be Barron.

as for the crabtree trade, isnt he still on his rookie deal and wont he be looking for a new contract pretty soon.

if you need a WR why not just draft him with that pick instead.

[shally]

Originally Posted by esmith1790

with the cowboys pick it would be Barron.

as for the crabtree trade, isnt he still on his rookie deal and wont he be looking for a new contract pretty soon.

if you need a WR why not just draft him with that pick instead.

that is exactly what I think they will do.. we will draft a WR.. the advantage of Crabtree is that he has already gotten through the rookie learning curve process and would provide RGIII with an experienced receiver right from the start.. but i do not think that is what will happen

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by Gravy

WOW! I've gone crossed eyed...there was like 19 trades in your mock with St. Louis picking up everyone and their mother. Fun stuff! Your idea of trading with San Fran...is not at all crazy. I believe Shanny will draft a WR and RB...why not trade for one...good stuff, man.

Thanks man.

Originally Posted by shally

none of the above..lol.. except for RGIII obviously...

Occam's razor-- we will take guys who impressed Shanahan at Senior Bowl, IF they are available when we pick

Maybe, maybe not.

Originally Posted by shally

I do think we will trade down in the 3rd round unless there is a CB that Shanahan really wants when we pick

With Paul supposedly moving to TE and Gaffney moving to somewhere else, I suspect that the 3rd rounder will be a WR--either in draft or trade. Crabtree is a possibility, or another vet.

Originally Posted by shally

I DONT think we will take a DL at all in the draft

I wouldn't count out the possibility.

Originally Posted by shally

My guess is that we end up taking only 1 OL player because I think Shanahan actually is delusional enough to believe the O line will be fine with what we have, plus 1 more draft pick

Agreed.

Originally Posted by esmith1790

with the cowboys pick it would be Barron.

That was my initial thought, but I think that Kirkpatrick makes more sense right now.

Originally Posted by esmith1790

as for the crabtree trade, isnt he still on his rookie deal and wont he be looking for a new contract pretty soon.

It's up in 2013.

Originally Posted by esmith1790

if you need a WR why not just draft him with that pick instead.

That would be simpler, but there might be a guy worth that pick then.

[esmith1790]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

Thanks man.




That was my initial thought, but I think that Kirkpatrick makes more sense right now.



It's up in 2013.



That would be simpler, but there might be a guy worth that pick then.

Always apprecaite u taking the time to do these drafts and i not even a skins fan.

With us just signing Scandrick and Carr to big contracts and Jenkins in the fold, Kirkpatrick would be our 4th CB starting out. Barron would be a day 1 starter.

I think the perception of the skins spending big money at the WR spot, then franchising Davis( big long term contract or big FA pick up or high draft pick to replace him) that is going to be alot of money tied up in the WR spot. Then having Crabtree wanting a new deal in 2013/2014 is something the skins dont want to get into.

[shally]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

Thanks man.



Maybe, maybe not.



With Paul supposedly moving to TE and Gaffney moving to somewhere else, I suspect that the 3rd rounder will be a WR--either in draft or trade. Crabtree is a possibility, or another vet.



I wouldn't count out the possibility.



Agreed.



That was my initial thought, but I think that Kirkpatrick makes more sense right now.



It's up in 2013.



That would be simpler, but there might be a guy worth that pick then.

i think there are going to be a lot of attractive WR's available in the 3-4th rounds.. i expect we will use one of our picks on one..this is especially so since moving Paul to TE and dumping/trading Gaffney will open up a spot or 2.. I havent seen anything that Austin or Robinson showed that indicates either one is ready to step up and claim the #4 receiver spot.. we still need more size in receivers and a guy like Criner or Toon or others would fill that nicely

Originally Posted by esmith1790

Always apprecaite u taking the time to do these drafts and i not even a skins fan.

With us just signing Scandrick and Carr to big contracts and Jenkins in the fold, Kirkpatrick would be our 4th CB starting out. Barron would be a day 1 starter.

I think the perception of the skins spending big money at the WR spot, then franchising Davis( big long term contract or big FA pick up or high draft pick to replace him) that is going to be alot of money tied up in the WR spot. Then having Crabtree wanting a new deal in 2013/2014 is something the skins dont want to get into.

If Barron and DeCastro are sitting there when Dallas picks and they dont take either one, then the guy who makes that pick should be summarily fired at that moment.. BOTH are players who will start from day 1 at positions of great need for the Cowboys.. one can only hope as Redskins fans that they dont see the obvious right in front of them

on the other hand, the Cowboys were rumored to be taking Smith last year and that is exactly what they did.. expect either of those 2 guys to be the pick if available... if not ? i could see the Cowboys trading back rather than taking anyone else there

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by esmith1790

Always apprecaite u taking the time to do these drafts and i not even a skins fan.

With us just signing Scandrick and Carr to big contracts and Jenkins in the fold, Kirkpatrick would be our 4th CB starting out. Barron would be a day 1 starter.

I think the perception of the skins spending big money at the WR spot, then franchising Davis( big long term contract or big FA pick up or high draft pick to replace him) that is going to be alot of money tied up in the WR spot. Then having Crabtree wanting a new deal in 2013/2014 is something the skins dont want to get into.

Well, if teams only drafted on need, drafts would be much easier to predict lol. Yes, both teams put money into those respective areas, but I don't think that will stop either team from drafting guys at those positions high. It still makes sense for both teams, the Boys have Griffin, the Eagles and the Giants' WR corps to deal with now. The skins still need a real WR threat.

Originally Posted by shally

i think there are going to be a lot of attractive WR's available in the 3-4th rounds.. i expect we will use one of our picks on one..this is especially so since moving Paul to TE and dumping/trading Gaffney will open up a spot or 2.. I havent seen anything that Austin or Robinson showed that indicates either one is ready to step up and claim the #4 receiver spot.. we still need more size in receivers and a guy like Criner or Toon or others would fill that nicely

I would LOVE for the skins to get Nick Toon.

[skinsfan36]

Nice job akh. Could see a lot of those trades going Down. The Crabtree trade is interesting but I can't stand him and he doesn't seem like a shanny guy with him barely attending and practicing at training camps every yr. would rather draft a wr like Hilton/Rainey/toon/broyles

[AustinSkin]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

Link

Guff on!


Rest of the skins’ picks:
3rd: The skins trade this pick with next year’s 3rd and Santana Moss to San Fran for Michael Crabtree. The skins need a real deep strike guy to go with RG3 and Crabtree is on his way out in San Fran with the money invested into Moss/Manningham. Moss(Santana) can redo his deal there and be a real slot guy not asked to carry an passing game.
4th: Jamell Flemming CB Oklahoma. A stock 5-11 4.4 40 CB with slick cover skills. Got torched by top QB/WRs though.
4th: Nick Jean-Baptiste NT Baylor. The skins need someone to hold the point during run games.
5th: Ronnie Hillman RB SDSU. Productive but probably disappeared against good defenses. He has “RB by committee body” written all over him.
6th: James Hanna TE Oklahoma. Project, but with some major tools. Not a good blocker.
7th: Josh Leribeus OG SMU. ZBS OG project.

So are we just set at OL, or are there no real prospects available between Rounds 3-6? Looks like we are okay at DL, LB with the need for a CB. Would love to see us load up at OL, TE & WR positions.

Not really crazy about Crabtree. He was a beast in college, but hasn't he been plagued by injuries in the pros?

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by skinsfan36

Nice job akh. Could see a lot of those trades going Down. The Crabtree trade is interesting but I can't stand him and he doesn't seem like a shanny guy with him barely attending and practicing at training camps every yr. would rather draft a wr like Hilton/Rainey/toon/broyles

I don't think Shanny can resist if the 49ers came calling for that deal. Or if a team was offering around a vet WR for that 3rd like Darrius Heyward-Bey, James Jones or Mike Williams.

Originally Posted by AustinSkin

So are we just set at OL, or are there no real prospects available between Rounds 3-6? Looks like we are okay at DL, LB with the need for a CB. Would love to see us load up at OL, TE & WR positions.

No and Yes. I just don't think that Shanny will commit much to the Oline in the draft...again.

Originally Posted by AustinSkin

Not really crazy about Crabtree. He was a beast in college, but hasn't he been plagued by injuries in the pros?

He's made 19 starts in the last 2 seasons. I think he needs a change of scenery. He's never really fit into any offense that the 49ers have run and I think that his skill set will translate better with RG3 then with Smith et al in Cali.

[shally]

Originally Posted by skinsfan36

Nice job akh. Could see a lot of those trades going Down. The Crabtree trade is interesting but I can't stand him and he doesn't seem like a shanny guy with him barely attending and practicing at training camps every yr. would rather draft a wr like Hilton/Rainey/toon/broyles

i agree.. he seems to be much too much of a prima donna.. he has never gotten over the fact that he fell to the 9th overall selection, instead of first overall.. moreover, it was compounded by some lapses in concentration and knucklehead behavior.. granted, he looks to have settled down and he has the talent to be elite..but if you are the Niners and you give up on a guy like that, what does it say about him ? He is being replaced by a guy who has had very few big games in his career, and another who is at the end of a HOF career.

if I am the Niners I take a 2nd rounder in trade , draft Floyd in the first round and laugh myself silly at some other team's foolishness.. if they get anything higher than that, they should be arrested for robbery

[Patrick]

Well played Akh ..... after two years of what I would consider "scratch your head picks" (most the time) by the Skins brain-trust I believe you have figured out their pick formula. Throw out the obvious and needs and go with the sleight of hand.
As you stated ...... Maybe, maybe not!

[lorimike]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

Link

Guff on!


Rest of the skins’ picks:
3rd: The skins trade this pick with next year’s 3rd and Santana Moss to San Fran for Michael Crabtree. The skins need a real deep strike guy to go with RG3 and Crabtree is on his way out in San Fran with the money invested into Moss/Manningham. Moss(Santana) can redo his deal there and be a real slot guy not asked to carry an passing game.
4th: Jamell Flemming CB Oklahoma. A stock 5-11 4.4 40 CB with slick cover skills. Got torched by top QB/WRs though.
4th: Nick Jean-Baptiste NT Baylor. The skins need someone to hold the point during run games.
5th: Ronnie Hillman RB SDSU. Productive but probably disappeared against good defenses. He has “RB by committee body” written all over him.
6th: James Hanna TE Oklahoma. Project, but with some major tools. Not a good blocker.
7th: Josh Leribeus OG SMU. ZBS OG project.

This is two picks and one player for only one player in return. This is the type of trades that have so depleted our depth and talent over the years. This is definatly not " money ball footbal managment ". It would be another bone headed trade in line with the 3rd and 4th we traded for the unproductive Brandon Lloyd several years ago. dumb dumb dumb