"Surprises" vs. "Disappointments"

[HanburgerBum]

Originally Posted by JsMaViSd

I disagree on the LL comparison.

And M. Williams is a solid safety as well..

We can agree to disagree on the LL vs Merriweather.

As for M Williams, he WAS a good safety. Not sure he has much left, because otherwise why was he available as a free agent.

[Keino]

Originally Posted by HanburgerBum

We can agree to disagree on the LL vs Merriweather.

As for M Williams, he WAS a good safety. Not sure he has much left, because otherwise why was he available as a free agent.

So any player available to us in free agency must not have anything left?

Yea, that makes a ton of sense.

[HanburgerBum]

Originally Posted by Red Bear

im just not sure if we will be the team paying him or not. to me it seems as if Niles Paul is being groomed to replace either Davis or Cooley in 2013...




agree about the "if not for injuries" part. but we just couldnt afford to pay him big with his injury history and stubbornness to rehab with the team and follow their medical recommendations. and he wasnt interested in the hometown discount with incentives deal if we even offered it to him. Landry's history suggests he isnt really a team guy either. Often skipping offseason workouts, committing dumb personal fouls, and celebrating after a 3rd down tackle in which the other team got the first down. I think he is one of the guys that Carlos Rogers was referring to when he said several guys in Washington wanted to leave. If a guy doesnt want to be here then i dont want him here poisoning the locker room.

also, lets not forget Meriweather is a 2-time probowler. he wasnt suited to chicagos cover two scheme. i think he will fit in better here than chicago. his problem is he headhunts. he will get his share of 15 yarders and fines for helmet to helmet hits and the likes.

I don't disagree that Laron Laundry has his own set of problems, and I don't even disagree with the decision to let him walk. But, as far as comparing the talent between him and Merriweather, I think LL comes out ahead there.

The Skins have a lot of prospects vying for the two safety spots. But, I just don't see any real solid candidates at this point. They are older vets on the downside of their careers, players found wanting by other teams, younger players who have yet to prove their worth in the NFL or totally untried rookies. If Raheem Morris can find a couple of jewels in this bunch, he will have earned his money.

[GloryHog]

Originally Posted by HanburgerBum

I don't disagree that Laron Laundry has his own set of problems, and I don't even disagree with the decision to let him walk. But, as far as comparing the talent between him and Merriweather, I think LL comes out ahead there.

The Skins have a lot of prospects vying for the two safety spots. But, I just don't see any real solid candidates at this point. They are older vets on the downside of their careers, players found wanting by other teams, younger players who have yet to prove their worth in the NFL or totally untried rookies. If Raheem Morris can find a couple of jewels in this bunch, he will have earned his money.

They all have two things in common. They've all performed at high level at some point in their recent history and they will cost virtually nothing if they don't make the team. Hopefully, somebody will take advantage of what is probably their last shot and play some ball. Lord help us if the starting safeties are Doughty and Gomes.

[HanburgerBum]

Originally Posted by GloryHog

They all have two things in common. They've all performed at high level at some point in their recent history and they will cost virtually nothing if they don't make the team. Hopefully, somebody will take advantage of what is probably their last shot and play some ball. Lord help us if the starting safeties are Doughty and Gomes.

Hate to say it, but I think it is entirely possible that the starting safeties may be Doughty and Gomes. If that is the case, I wouldn't be surprised if the Skins are last in 3rd down defense.

[HanburgerBum]

Originally Posted by Keino

So any player available to us in free agency must not have anything left?

Yea, that makes a ton of sense.

I certainly didn't mean to convey the impression that all free agents have nothing left. I just am not excited about the free agents vying for the safety spots on this team.

[Keino]

Originally Posted by HanburgerBum

I certainly didn't mean to convey the impression that all free agents have nothing left. I just am not excited about the free agents vying for the safety spots on this team.

Okay, but you indicated that the reason you think they have nothing left is because they were on the market. While that is sometimes the very reason a player is on the free agent market, there are a few other reasons why that may be so completely unrelated to performance.

I think you should have your head examined if you really believe our starting Safeties are going to possibly be Doughty and Gomes absent a rash of injuries.

[Griffin to Garcon]

Surprise: Tanard Jackson....this guy has had his off the field issues but if it weren't for that he'd be considered one of the top young safeties in the game. Let's hope that being back in his hometown helps him get back in line. Raheem Morris clearly lobbied for the redskins to look at him for a reason.

Dissapointment: adam carrier....yes he has prototypical size for a 3-4 d end but you can only be so good in this league with no athleticism. The redskins D will only be as good as there pass rush and I just don't see carriker being enough of a clogging force to help free orakpo on the edge like the skins need.

[AustinSkin]

Originally Posted by Griffin to Garcon

Surprise: Tanard Jackson....this guy has had his off the field issues but if it weren't for that he'd be considered one of the top young safeties in the game. Let's hope that being back in his hometown helps him get back in line. Raheem Morris clearly lobbied for the redskins to look at him for a reason.

Dissapointment: adam carrier....yes he has prototypical size for a 3-4 d end but you can only be so good in this league with no athleticism. The redskins D will only be as good as there pass rush and I just don't see carriker being enough of a clogging force to help free orakpo on the edge like the skins need.

Welcome aboard!

[Jbres21]

Surprise: RG3....I know hes expected to do big things in the Metro area but i think he's going to have a Cam Newton type year...and the more and more i look at this team....IF he does have a Cam Newton year the skins will be back in the playoffs and a team that not many teams will want to play as a 5 of 6 seed.

Dissapointment: Tim Hightower...For one hes coming off an ACL Tear and everyone knows what the means for a running back... He showed promise and had fans excited early last year but i think he's not going to be very productive this year while gettng hurt again early in the season

[GloryHog]

Originally Posted by Jbres21

Surprise: RG3....I know hes expected to do big things in the Metro area but i think he's going to have a Cam Newton type year...and the more and more i look at this team....IF he does have a Cam Newton year the skins will be back in the playoffs and a team that not many teams will want to play as a 5 of 6 seed.

Dissapointment: Tim Hightower...For one hes coming off an ACL Tear and everyone knows what the means for a running back... He showed promise and had fans excited early last year but i think he's not going to be very productive this year while gettng hurt again early in the season

You may be right, it wouldn't shock me if he is not ready or is reinjured, but I think Hightower could be quite effective as a third down back. He blocks and catches the ball well. I don't think he can be counted on to be the featured back. In fact, I think the best way to maximize the running backs is to ideally not run any of them more than about 12 times a game.

[HanburgerBum]

Originally Posted by Keino

Okay, but you indicated that the reason you think they have nothing left is because they were on the market. While that is sometimes the very reason a player is on the free agent market, there are a few other reasons why that may be so completely unrelated to performance.

I think you should have your head examined if you really believe our starting Safeties are going to possibly be Doughty and Gomes absent a rash of injuries.

Hey, it wouldn't be the first time I need my head examined. But, the proof is in the pudding. I just am not going to get excited about this assorted mix of newcomers until I see them performing well. Last season, I was told Atogwe was going to solve our FS problem. So, pardon me if I am somewhat skeptical.

[Keino]

Originally Posted by HanburgerBum

Hey, it wouldn't be the first time I need my head examined. But, the proof is in the pudding. I just am not going to get excited about this assorted mix of newcomers until I see them performing well. Last season, I was told Atogwe was going to solve our FS problem. So, pardon me if I am somewhat skeptical.

Being skeptical is reasonable. Thinking our starting safeties will be Doughty/Gomes is not.

I'd be shocked if the opening day starters at Safety aren't Williams/Merrieweather. I expect Tanard Jackson to be 1st off the bench before Doughty.

Concerning Reed, I doughty makes the team.

[GloryHog]

Originally Posted by Keino

Being skeptical is reasonable. Thinking our starting safeties will be Doughty/Gomes is not.

I'd be shocked if the opening day starters at Safety aren't Williams/Merrieweather. I expect Tanard Jackson to be 1st off the bench before Doughty.

Concerning Reed, I doughty makes the team.

I truly hope you're correct, for that would mean a number of the new faces have panned out and they've significantly upgraded, or at least deepened the position.

[CNYSkinFan]

Originally Posted by GloryHog

I truly hope you're correct, for that would mean a number of the new faces have panned out and they've significantly upgraded, or at least deepened the position.

and stopped drinking while watching game film