Wide Receivers

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninva

So by your standards no one other than starts should be kept or acknowledged for their performances, right?

When talking about preseason performances, I think thats a fair statement. I like Tom Compton as a prospect at OT, but he needs to show it against starters to see how good he truly is-same goes for Keenan Robinson.

Originally Posted by skinsfaninva

So Cousins in not that good either and noone would want him either since he has not done anything against starters.

I have two words for you: Colt Brennan lol.

Originally Posted by skinsfaninva

I do believe that there was a team that tried to snatch him from our PS last year without seeing him do less than he has done this preseason. Weird huh?

Very late last season a team did try to sign him off the PS. I don't see how this proves that he would be snapped up if he was cut. If someone wanted him, the skins would be trying to deal him for something, no? He's not going to start or play major minutes unless a hurricane wiped out the WR corps.

Originally Posted by skinsfaninva

That is 4 assuming Edwards has anything left in the tank. He has been dropped by several teams in the recent past. How about a young 5th or 6th? I bet Robinson is better than a lot of teams 5th or 6th WR. We aren't talking starter at this point. It is about depth.

The Seahawks actually have a bunch of young development WRs on their roster(I had to google that lol). Kris Durham(who's 6-6), Deon Butler, Phil Bates, Jermaine Kearse, etc etc. I don't think that they're going to value Robinson over any of those guys who've been in camp all summer and know the offense.

[skinsfaninva]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

When talking about preseason performances, I think thats a fair statement. I like Tom Compton as a prospect at OT, but he needs to show it against starters to see how good he truly is-same goes for Keenan Robinson.

I agree that saying that you need to prove yourself against starters before saying someone should be a starter over someone else. I am not saying that A. Robinson would be a starter.

Originally Posted by akhhorus

I have two words for you: Colt Brennan lol.

I have two more. Chase Daniels. Snatched up pretty quick by the Saints and is still their backup QB.

Originally Posted by akhhorus

Very late last season a team did try to sign him off the PS. I don't see how this proves that he would be snapped up if he was cut. If someone wanted him, the skins would be trying to deal him for something, no? He's not going to start or play major minutes unless a hurricane wiped out the WR corps.

No. If you think that he is good enough to push for top 3 WR in a year or so and young then you don't trade him. Also, if you thought so little of him then you would have just let him go last year and not sign him to the roster to block the claim.

Originally Posted by akhhorus

The Seahawks actually have a bunch of young development WRs on their roster(I had to google that lol). Kris Durham(who's 6-6), Deon Butler, Phil Bates, Jermaine Kearse, etc etc. I don't think that they're going to value Robinson over any of those guys who've been in camp all summer and know the offense.

That may be true but you never know. That is why I would not put A. Robinson out there to be claimed. I think that he is developing into a solid player by all accounts this summer and yes I include the preseason game because it is game action and a player can only play against who the coaches put him in against.

[Red Bear]

i think Aldrick Robinson definitely makes the team. Banks is good as gone. Robinson is just as fast as Banks or close to it. He also can return punts. But most importantly, Robinson can provide value as a WR that Banks cannot.

Also, a week or two ago, i asked everyone why the were so high on dezmon briscoe, as i was not. But i have to admit he has changed my opinion by his play on the field. if he learns to play special teams he can have a nice role on the team.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninva

I agree that saying that you need to prove yourself against starters before saying someone should be a starter over someone else. I am not saying that A. Robinson would be a starter.

He could be a contributor, but he needs to be able to beat a starter to do that. I think we agree on that.

Originally Posted by skinsfaninva

I have two more. Chase Daniels. Snatched up pretty quick by the Saints and is still their backup QB.

I don't think thats proof of your point. He's never really played and no one tried to deal for him, even after Brees' extension.

Originally Posted by skinsfaninva

No. If you think that he is good enough to push for top 3 WR in a year or so and young then you don't trade him. Also, if you thought so little of him then you would have just let him go last year and not sign him to the roster to block the claim.

Obviously the Skins don't think much of him if they keep going after young/rookie/FA WRs.

Originally Posted by skinsfaninva

That may be true but you never know. That is why I would not put A. Robinson out there to be claimed. I think that he is developing into a solid player by all accounts this summer and yes I include the preseason game because it is game action and a player can only play against who the coaches put him in against.

I don't think he'll go anywhere if cut. He hasn't, imo, blown people away in preseason play.

[skinsfaninva]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

I don't think thats proof of your point. He's never really played and no one tried to deal for him, even after Brees' extension.

My point was misplaced in the discussion of performance in preseason. My point being having a player do well in preseason and think that you are going to sneak them through to the PS and have it come back and bight you. While Daniels has not played, the fact the Saints didn't panic and trade for a bigger name during the Brees' ordeal tells me that they are comfortable with him as a starter, warranted or not.

Originally Posted by akhhorus

Obviously the Skins don't think much of him if they keep going after young/rookie/FA WRs.

They went out and signed a #1 and #3 receiver. I don't even believe that Robinson could be those spots at this point. Shanny also likes competition. Would you have drafted Morris in the 6th round after drafting Helu and Royster last year. I would not have and was wrong. Having depth is a great thing. This year we drafted RG3 with the #2 pick, and gave up a lot to get him, and then 2 picks later we draft Cousins to be the backup.

Originally Posted by akhhorus

I don't think he'll go anywhere if cut. He hasn't, imo, blown people away in preseason play.

We will just have to agree to disagree.

[smave]

I think you go with Garcon, Moss, Hank, Morgan, Briscoe, Robinson.

I Had us keeping 5 because I didn't really see the hype of Briscoe, but we have to find room for him.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninva

My point was misplaced in the discussion of performance in preseason. My point being having a player do well in preseason and think that you are going to sneak them through to the PS and have it come back and bight you.

How exactly has Chase Daniels comes to back to bite the Skins?

Originally Posted by skinsfaninva

While Daniels has not played, the fact the Saints didn't panic and trade for a bigger name during the Brees' ordeal tells me that they are comfortable with him as a starter, warranted or not.

Or they knew Brees would eventually cave since he couldn't be traded or do anything other then sign his tender at the very least(his tag was an exclusive rights tag).

Originally Posted by skinsfaninva

They went out and signed a #1 and #3 receiver. I don't even believe that Robinson could be those spots at this point. Shanny also likes competition.

So, Robinson isn't anything more then a 4th or 5th WR at best. He's not going to "compete" with the top 4 guys unless he can outplay them(which he can't so far). He's had Robinson for a full season now, if they thought that he could contribute as a primary WR, he would have gotten a shot. But they'd rather keep Moss at 5 million a year as the slot/3rd WR then give Robinson a shot at that job: which speaks volume about his play. And if the skins thought that there was any market for him out there, they'd deal him for something and help the numbers crunch at the WR spot.

Originally Posted by skinsfaninva

Would you have drafted Morris in the 6th round after drafting Helu and Royster last year. I would not have and was wrong.

Shanny falls in and out of love with Rbs very quickly. Morris was drafted to actually play. Robinson will barely see the field ever.

Originally Posted by skinsfaninva

Having depth is a great thing. This year we drafted RG3 with the #2 pick, and gave up a lot to get him, and then 2 picks later we draft Cousins to be the backup.

Which was a wasted pick(still). And for the record, Mortensen reported that the skins drafted Cousins just to pump up his value, then trade him.

[AustinSkin]

[quote=akhhorus;1452507
Which was a wasted pick(still). And for the record, Mortensen reported that the skins drafted Cousins just to pump up his value, then trade him.[/QUOTE]

I don't think Cousins was a wasted pick. He has come on strong in OTAs, Training camp and in preseason. With plenty of reps, he could develop into a very capable starting quarterback. Unless Grossman's perfect performance against Indy was a total fluke (which I concede it could be), hte competition at QB has also elevated Grossman's game.

I really don't think this was a move purely to pump Cousin's value and dump him. Without him, we'd be stuck with Rexy and Crompton if Griffin went down, and that would be inexcusable IMO. We have the best developing depth I have seen since perhaps Theisman/Schroeder. Cousins will be with us for the most of his contract, and then he will command Matt Flynn or Kevin Kolb compensation, if he shows he's the man.

[hail2skins]

Reminder: This thread is about wide receivers.

[Gravy]

Originally Posted by hail2skins

Reminder: This thread is about wide receivers.

...but it wouldn't be HR if they didn't go off topic

[AustinSkin]

Originally Posted by hail2skins

Reminder: This thread is about wide receivers.

Dang, my bad. Just got caught up in the conversation.

Question: It looks like Garcon is Griffin's security blanket. Which WRs will RGIII target the most outside of Garcon, in order? My guess is:

1. Moss
2. Morgan
3. Hankerson
4. Briscoe
5.Robinson/other

[Moe]

Originally Posted by Red Bear

i think Aldrick Robinson definitely makes the team. Banks is good as gone. Robinson is just as fast as Banks or close to it. He also can return punts. But most importantly, Robinson can provide value as a WR that Banks cannot.

Also, a week or two ago, i asked everyone why the were so high on dezmon briscoe, as i was not. But i have to admit he has changed my opinion by his play on the field. if he learns to play special teams he can have a nice role on the team.

FWIW, it was mentioned in the Post that he's asked for a shot on special teams, likely knowing that not competing there could cost him a spot despite his potential at wideout.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by AustinSkin

I don't think Cousins was a wasted pick. He has come on strong in OTAs, Training camp and in preseason. With plenty of reps, he could develop into a very capable starting quarterback.

Wouldn't you rather have a RT prospect like Bobby Massie or Zebrie Sanders, or to keep this post relevant to the thread topic a WR like Joe Adams or Nick Toon to team with Garcon/Hankerson over a clipboard holder? If Rg3 goes down, the season's really screwed no matter what.

Originally Posted by AustinSkin

Unless Grossman's perfect performance against Indy was a total fluke (which I concede it could be), hte competition at QB has also elevated Grossman's game.

He isn't going to be playing against the backups of a bad defense in the regular season lol.

Originally Posted by AustinSkin

I really don't think this was a move purely to pump Cousin's value and dump him. Without him, we'd be stuck with Rexy and Crompton if Griffin went down, and that would be inexcusable IMO. We have the best developing depth I have seen since perhaps Theisman/Schroeder. Cousins will be with us for the most of his contract, and then he will command Matt Flynn or Kevin Kolb compensation, if he shows he's the man.

Matt Flynn was a free agent and after the Kevin Kolb disaster, no one's going to give up that much in picks for an unproven Qb. Why would anyone trade for Cousins if all his NFL game tape is against garbage baggers late in preseason games?

[BIGREDSKINSFAN1963]

Robinson is just as fast as Banks or close to it.

only guy on the team as fast as banks is maybe rg3.i think he's gone too but he maybe on next weeks cuts not this weeks.

[AustinSkin]

As we were previously reminded, this topic is about wide receivers. I can pick up on this topic in another thread.