Spurrier fans...

PennSkinsFan · #1 12-14-2003, 07:43 PM

Now, before you jump on me for my anti-Spurrier rhetoric that I spew every week, aI realize that alot in thei game was lost by the players...Hasselbeck, Gardner, Flemister, Bowen, etc...

But, take a look at facts.

We finished 7-9 last season. Snyder spent tons of money and we are now 5-9 and even if we sweep, which we wont, we will not even improve on last season. Not even one game will we improve, despite addresssing several offensive weaknesses and arming Spurrier with a offense he wanted. He is now 12-18 as a Redskisn HC, that a .400 percentage. Spurrier HAS YET to even win more than 2 friggin games in a row. The team goes 1-7 in id season, come back to beat up a very beat up Giant team to get shutout to the hated Dallas Cowboys 27-0 AT HOME????

Where is your case?

capitol_cop · #2 12-14-2003, 08:11 PM

Before you get on Spurrier consider who we had starting on offense today. A starting quarterback who whould be a #3 anywhere else, a starting "running back" that just barely got drafted, and a patchwork line going up against the league's number one defense. Honestly, I didn't expect a win this week. I just hoped we would be competitive. I have been saying it for weeks, and I still believe that the players, not the coaches should be held accountable for our sorry season. True, injuries have hurt us, but Spurrier doesn't fumble the football (Zeron, Chad) and he doesn't throw picks. The system will be fine once the players in the system start to execute the system properly.

PennSkinsFan · #3 12-14-2003, 08:16 PM

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Originally posted by capitol_cop
Before you get on Spurrier consider who we had starting on offense today. A starting quarterback who whould be a #3 anywhere else, a starting "running back" that just barely got drafted, and a patchwork line going up against the league's number one defense. Honestly, I didn't expect a win this week. I just hoped we would be competitive. I have been saying it for weeks, and I still believe that the players, not the coaches should be held accountable for our sorry season. True, injuries have hurt us, but Spurrier doesn't fumble the football (Zeron, Chad) and he doesn't throw picks. The system will be fine once the players in the system start to execute the system properly.

I remember the same excuses last season. "The system will be fine when the players are in place" and millions of dollar laters, the system still is not fine and not winning.

ShaggySkins · #4 12-14-2003, 08:18 PM

This is the first time I've truly felt Spurrier has to go. Over the last 2 seasons I've given him the benefit of the doubt every time. But today was just too much to bare.

Spence · #5 12-14-2003, 08:20 PM

The Cowboys were 5-11 last year. Now they are 9-5. Their roster is largely identical to what they had last year. Same quarterback. Same running back. A new cornerback and that's about it.

The Cowboys have Bill Parcells. We have Steve Spurrier. Draw your own conclusions.

#6 12-14-2003, 08:37 PM

I had supported Spurrior until today....He is bad...had no clue where the red flag was...

1. Jimmy Johnson (with full control)
2. Jim Fassel
3. me (hell I could do better)
4. Deion (hell he could do better)

Rat_Boy · #7 12-14-2003, 08:47 PM

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Snyder spent tons of money and we are now 5-9 and even if we sweep, which we wont, we will not even improve on last season. Not even one game will we improve, despite addresssing several offensive weaknesses and arming Spurrier with a offense he wanted.

With all due respect.

We DOWNGRADED at QB, RB, DE and DT this past offseason.

Maybe we need to start looking at how Snyder is managing this team?

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The Cowboys were 5-11 last year. Now they are 9-5. Their roster is largely identical to what they had last year.

Meanwhile, the Redskins usually get about 3-5 new starters on each side of the ball EVERY YEAR.

I have drawn my own conclusions.

We will not be successful until Snyder sells, or get's his head out of his brown eye.

NCskinsfanatic · #8 12-14-2003, 08:48 PM

Fact is SS is a great college coach and I dont think he's happy here.I'm not sure if he's staying or going.I dont think we will keep Champ if we go to a new coach, unless he's Jimmy Johnson or someone proven.Im beginning to think an LA restructure isnt going to happen either for the same reasons Champ wants out.We may be able to restructure Samuels but only if he's willing to accept his play for the last 2 seasons has been far below what he's been paid.I guess my point is I have a lot of concern about this franchises ability to right the ship.I always will be a skins fan dont get me wrong but nothing Snyder does works,nothing.I dont know if its the coach,the players,the owner,vinny or all of the above but it isnt getting any better.If the skins were a sick horse someone would shoot it out of compassion and ship it to the glue factory.

#9 12-14-2003, 08:51 PM

QB...Ill take Ramsey over anyone we had last year
RB... Spurrior wouldnt use Davis when he was here wanted more speed Snyder delivered
DE... same ones actually better with upshaw
DT.... a down grade here but at least we arent on the hook for millions to D. Gardner like the Broncos are.

ShaggySkins · #10 12-14-2003, 08:56 PM

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Originally posted by Rat_Boy
With all due respect.

We DOWNGRADED at QB, RB, DE and DT this past offseason.

How did we downgrade at QB, DE, and DT???

I agree with you about RB. But at QB Ramsey has been good and this is the first game that Hassellbeck has looked bad. I certainly don't believe that this game would have been any better with either Weurfull or Shane Matthews who were both back there last year. At DE we have the same players as last year and we added Regan Upshaw and Peppi Zellner so I'm having trouble grasping how thats a downgrade. DT although were not good and we were better last year if we had Gardner and Wilkenson they would be no better then this years group. Gardner has only played in about 3 games this year and has reverted back to his troublesome ways so to have him back here would only be more destructive to the team. And Wilkenson has done nothing in Detriot to make me think that he is any better then anyone we have currently.

I don't like Snyder but he's gotten the players that Spurrier needed and wanted. If they aren't working out its on Spurriers head not Snyders.

Rat_Boy · #11 12-14-2003, 08:59 PM

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QB...Ill take Ramsey over anyone we had last year

Maybe talent wise, but Matthews clearly ran the offense and had more experience and better pocket poise than Ramsey. Of course, I still think Ramsey will eventually be light years ahead of anyone we had last year.

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RB... Spurrior wouldnt use Davis when he was here wanted more speed Snyder delivered

He used him. Not enough, but he used him. Point is, we still downgraded at the position.

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DE... same ones actually better with upshaw

No way I can agree with this. Upshaw has done nothing except help opposing offenses with his boneheaded penalties. And last year, Bruce Smith was more effective and a year younger. Our DE play better was better last season.

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DT.... a down grade here but at least we arent on the hook for millions to D. Gardner like the Broncos are.

That's fine. But the FACT remains that we let go of Gardener AND Wilkinson, and replaced them with a bunch of other teams' bench players and no credible starter.

My whole point is, that you really can't blame just one person for this mess, unless it is Snyder. He hired all the people we blame day in and day out anyway.

Spence · #12 12-14-2003, 09:07 PM

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Originally posted by Rat_Boy
My whole point is, that you really can't blame just one person for this mess, unless it is Snyder. He hired all the people we blame day in and day out anyway.

This is the point I've been making.

hail2skins · #13 12-14-2003, 09:09 PM

I'm really a bit too pissed to respond to any threads. I'm just reading to catch up. This game was so bad you had Redskins fans fighting each other at the end. I couldn't believe it. Then people started throwing ice balls. A cameraman was hit in the fac e with one.

REALRICK · #14 12-14-2003, 09:52 PM

Actually the Cowboys don't just have the same players.

The Cowboys have been operating by losing every year and drafting great defensive players for the last 5 years. Their linebackers and secondary are all home grown and drafted and NOW it is paying off. This was a young defense 2 years ago and since then they have added a great safety and a great cornerback. Plus their defensive coach is the same one every year.

The Cowboys and Parcell are winning because of their DEFENSE and not because of anything else. That defense is filled with number 1 draft picks, they have been togehter for a couple of years, and they have had the same system for more than 3 years.

So, saying that Parcells walked through the door and made the defense great is misleading. The truth is he walked throught the door and inherited a great defense. Parcells smartest move was to not change anything on the defense and keep the coordinator.

The Redskins on the other hand hire coordinators for 1 year...and turn over the defensive personell every year....and on top of that...they NEVER draft any defensive linemen. That is a sure fire recipe for the mess which we find ourselves in right now, and explains the difference between the BOYZ and the SKINS.

PennSkinsFan · #15 12-14-2003, 09:54 PM

I blame Snyder for hiring Spurrier.

QB: Sorry Rat. We are way in disagreement here. I woudl take Ram over Matthews and Wuerffel any pathetic day in FEDEX. I will take Hass over either.

RB: YES, we greatly downgraded.

DE: Stayed the same. Don't see your point here.Just added Upshaw.

DT: Greatly downgraded.

OL: Greatly upgraded

WR: Greatly upgraded

S: Upgraded

Overall, there were upgrades, their were downgrades, and Steve Spurrier is no better, period.